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AtheistCrusader

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9. I didn't twist anything.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:45 AM
Sep 2014

The article makes a clear case for it. It's not even a dog whistle. It made a clear argument for the 'value' of a potential person, and that is a common anti-abortion trope. I fully stand by that assessment. I have heard it far too many times. I highlighted the exact problem.

"When you have a test that will tell you with 100% accuracy whether a person will be born with a certain abnormality, that does not equate to giving the fetus personhood at all."

I didn't say it gave it personhood. I said that the excerpted arguments in my previous post rely upon the potential personhood of the fetus in question. Because it clearly does.


I tend to agree with your characterization of Dawkins' position that it is immoral also constrains choice. It certainly excludes one choice from the equation. So we agree there.


However. I asked a question in the other thread that went unanswered. What would you think of potential moral implications of a medical study wherein people aborted non-down fetuses, until they had a positive test, and then carried that to term? Would that sort of medical experiment carry any ethical liability? To deliberately create children with down syndrome? (I modified the original proposition of someone just doing it on their own, to a study, because of the incredibly unlikely nature of the hypothetical.)

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If we could all just be more like him, the world would be perfect. cbayer Aug 2014 #1
He does leave a lot to be desired. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2
Interesting. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #3
So you agree with Dawkins that it is "immoral" not to abort a fetus with Downs? Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #4
I don't know that suggesting a burden on a potential mother is helpful in this discussion/issue. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #7
My problem with Dawkins' pronouncement Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #11
Eugenics is about changing (improving) the genetics of a population cbayer Sep 2014 #5
You said it yourself. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #6
That is just twisting words. cbayer Sep 2014 #8
I didn't twist anything. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #9
I think you are reading something in to this that is not there. cbayer Sep 2014 #10
Well, we agree on abortion. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #14
Again, carrying a down's child to term is entirely up to the person cbayer Sep 2014 #15
If a fetus is not a potential person Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #12
The key is; potential. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #13
You seem to be raising the question as to whether it is moral for a woman cbayer Sep 2014 #16
I am stating that it is morally fine. 100%. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #17
What if a woman was being paid to do it cbayer Sep 2014 #18
Sure, i accept the revised hypothetical. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #19
Yes, but it doesn't have to do with abortion. cbayer Sep 2014 #20
Well, what I was trying to drive at is: AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #21
I would insist on a psychiatric evaluation of anyone that wanted to do that, frankly. cbayer Sep 2014 #22
Woah, that may have carried a negative connotation. Let me clarify. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #23
Most women who encounter this have one single risk factor - age. cbayer Sep 2014 #24
kicking. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #25
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