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AtheistCrusader

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3. Interesting.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:25 AM
Sep 2014
"To be absolutely clear: Down’s syndrome is not hereditary. So it cannot be bred out. So the belief that it is immoral to keep a Down’s syndrome child is not strictly a eugenic position. But the moral revulsion that we have at eugenics has little to do with genetics and everything to do with the way it treats the most vulnerable. For the problem with eugenics, like Dawkins’s belief that it is immoral to keep a baby with Down’s syndrome, is that it contains an implicit idea of what a better sort of human being might look like."

This article simultaneously acknowledges this isn't a eugenics issue at all, and yet, still tries to cast this as a eugenics issue. That last line is the key. 'Better' isn't the issue at all. The average (obviously not universal, some are very high-functioning) lifespan and quality of life for the people caught by this condition is not the baseline human norm, against which we measure 'better' people without the condition. That's completely the wrong-end way of looking at it.

"everything to do with the way it treats the most vulnerable"

Implies personhood for a fetus. A common anti-abortion position. This article leaves a worse taste in my mouth than the purported subject at hand.

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If we could all just be more like him, the world would be perfect. cbayer Aug 2014 #1
He does leave a lot to be desired. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2
Interesting. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #3
So you agree with Dawkins that it is "immoral" not to abort a fetus with Downs? Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #4
I don't know that suggesting a burden on a potential mother is helpful in this discussion/issue. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #7
My problem with Dawkins' pronouncement Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #11
Eugenics is about changing (improving) the genetics of a population cbayer Sep 2014 #5
You said it yourself. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #6
That is just twisting words. cbayer Sep 2014 #8
I didn't twist anything. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #9
I think you are reading something in to this that is not there. cbayer Sep 2014 #10
Well, we agree on abortion. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #14
Again, carrying a down's child to term is entirely up to the person cbayer Sep 2014 #15
If a fetus is not a potential person Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2014 #12
The key is; potential. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #13
You seem to be raising the question as to whether it is moral for a woman cbayer Sep 2014 #16
I am stating that it is morally fine. 100%. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #17
What if a woman was being paid to do it cbayer Sep 2014 #18
Sure, i accept the revised hypothetical. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #19
Yes, but it doesn't have to do with abortion. cbayer Sep 2014 #20
Well, what I was trying to drive at is: AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #21
I would insist on a psychiatric evaluation of anyone that wanted to do that, frankly. cbayer Sep 2014 #22
Woah, that may have carried a negative connotation. Let me clarify. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #23
Most women who encounter this have one single risk factor - age. cbayer Sep 2014 #24
kicking. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #25
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