History of Feminism

yellowcanine

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52. and one person who did not, how did you respond....?

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:16 PM

Dec 2013

You took great issue and accused me of not living in the real world.
1. The real world is not DU and I was referring specifically to DU.
2. How many people respond one way or the other is not a good measure of how most of the group feels on a particular issue. Flame bait will get you flames. I almost did not respond at all because these types of discussions rarely resolve in a reasonable way. But for better or worse, I did. I obviously did not get a positive response, for whatever reason, but maybe some people will see my contribution as constructive in the way I intended it.
3. DU is not where the real battle is, so why turn it into that? Why not have a productive discussion about how to change society? Flame baiting will not get you there.
4. Just because people disagree with a particular tactic does not mean they disagree with the goal or do not "get it." If people who are essentially on the same side of an issue cannot have a reasonable discussion about tactics, how will we ever prevail against the real (maybe better organized) forces on the other side?

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If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all] boston bean Dec 2013 OP

This should be good... chervilant Dec 2013 #1

Welp... you called it... I really didn't think it would get this much attention. Certainly struck boston bean Dec 2013 #51

Men are the worst. another_liberal Dec 2013 #2

That's what you took away from the OP? nt boston bean Dec 2013 #3

I'm just saying . . . another_liberal Dec 2013 #4

and that would be? boston bean Dec 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Dec 2013 #7

"And that would be . . .?" another_liberal Dec 2013 #10

Well, up to this point, I was genuinely curious as to what the purpose of your response was. boston bean Dec 2013 #11

you fail in communication leaving question to what you aer saying. then you throw a rant when what seabeyond Dec 2013 #12

Just as an aside, you should check the group, because the rules for posting differ by group. spooky3 Dec 2013 #14

oh, the "tone" complaint coupled with "possibly sarcastic" broadbrushing- why not go for a trifecta? bettyellen Dec 2013 #131

I remember reading part four somewhere before (maybe here actually). NuclearDem Dec 2013 #6

In the 60s that was one of the BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #46

I get the point Locrian Dec 2013 #8

Part 3 should be required reading gollygee Dec 2013 #9

Agreed NewJeffCT Dec 2013 #16

Any man who whines about misandry is immediately relegated to Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #13

I have a fantastic progressive friend going through a custody dispute right now TekGryphon Dec 2013 #21

Your friend's situation is still NOT misandry. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #24

So any systemic inequalities against women is born of misogyny, while.. TekGryphon Dec 2013 #28

you have a friend, going thru a divorce, and obviously on his side, feeling his pain, with no actual seabeyond Dec 2013 #35

For the last time, there ARE no systemic inequities against men. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #39

"I've got a mother-in-law ... " A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #94

let me tell you about MY MIL. ya. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #95

... redqueen Dec 2013 #99

historically rules of divorce were there to perpetute he system men preferred- dumping the kids on bettyellen Dec 2013 #132

you can go into the mens forum, join a thread about how to cheat a wife out of her share of the $ seabeyond Dec 2013 #31

I understand why you think this is the same, BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #55

The legal system is still skewed toward women getting custody Warpy Dec 2013 #85

grabbing the popcorn NewJeffCT Dec 2013 #15

why would you do this? it is a serious subject. grabbing your popcorn, waiting for entertainment seabeyond Dec 2013 #17

Sea I don't see anything nefarious with his posting. I think maybe it is being misinterpreted. He boston bean Dec 2013 #18

i asked. i did not accuse. we understand the meaning of grabbing popcorn. seabeyond Dec 2013 #19

maybe you know something I don't know... ok. boston bean Dec 2013 #20

lol. i do not know either. hence, allowing the poster to clarify. that is the right thing to do, seabeyond Dec 2013 #22

I saw it the same way you did, sea. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #25

If you really want a fruitful discussion about feminism I am not sure this is the best way to do it. yellowcanine Dec 2013 #23

So, once again: instead of men actually listening to us, and thinking about what we're saying, Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #26

"Listening" goes both ways. Does disagreement necessarily mean I did not listen? yellowcanine Dec 2013 #50

Who said anything about how you might respond? BainsBane Dec 2013 #157

this post is NOT addressing you. obviously. the problem, is men like you do not live in this world seabeyond Dec 2013 #29

Ok I do not understand this response - I implied that there IS a need for society to take a yellowcanine Dec 2013 #43

"I think most men on THIS site agree with that." 6. at this point, not including you because seabeyond Dec 2013 #45

and one person who did not, how did you respond....? yellowcanine Dec 2013 #52

my tone? was not right? i tried. man i tippy toed, i asked questions, i compliment, i embraced you seabeyond Dec 2013 #53

I understand this piece. I just disagree with it as a tactic. yellowcanine Dec 2013 #58

because. the hate. is growing. leaps. and. bounds. seabeyond Dec 2013 #60

then start your own OP about the ERA BainsBane Dec 2013 #161

What are you not concerned with the negative approach the rest of DU BainsBane Dec 2013 #160

"I am a man" xulamaude Dec 2013 #32

Tell women? I responded to one OP. How is that "telling women."? yellowcanine Dec 2013 #44

you ask. that is good. so i will answer. women consistently, continually hear we would be more seabeyond Dec 2013 #47

Sure, you're allowed to do almost anything you want xulamaude Dec 2013 #48

btw... you will take note how this whole issue is talking about this issue with you, and not seabeyond Dec 2013 #49

with respect, the sad truth is that you are more the exception, not the rule geek tragedy Dec 2013 #54

Then we go back to the basics and change their minds. yellowcanine Dec 2013 #63

well fuck. k. basics. you dismissed everything i said and became accusatory and defensive. a man seabeyond Dec 2013 #66

this is a discussion board, what are they supposed to do then, just STFU? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #67

Yes, that is exactly what we are suppose to do BainsBane Dec 2013 #180

Do you even fucking hear yourself? redqueen Dec 2013 #173

Don't question his privilege BainsBane Dec 2013 #179

This facile understanding of what feminism is about has been fostered by many well-meaning women. redqueen Dec 2013 #182

I would have no problem with their saying that BainsBane Dec 2013 #183

exactly redq. i say, that is the easy stuff. womens right. feminism is the hard stuff. seabeyond Dec 2013 #184

Yet here you are BainsBane Dec 2013 #178

Did you read the piece at the link? redqueen Dec 2013 #172

Poor poor me. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #27

i hear ya. it is silly and immature for men to immerse themselves in this mentality. seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

a lot if this stuff is just over my head. if i am hated by virtue being born geckosfeet Dec 2013 #33

so... you did walk in merely to disrupt in your cryptic post. bat signal go out? i see RC here seabeyond Dec 2013 #36

I do take it seriously. Equality for women is a serious issue. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #167

No one here hates men BainsBane Dec 2013 #169

Damn BB, you are on FIRE this morning! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #170

He may have me on ignore from the gun battles BainsBane Dec 2013 #171

Why should they bother to read the article? They know everything already! redqueen Dec 2013 #175

my posts to you = hate? really? calling you out for purposely being disruptive and disrespectful seabeyond Dec 2013 #176

yo, no one is hating you for having a pee pee instead of a hoo hoo. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #71

Hind quarters fully operational and intact. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #83

good way to illustrate why some individuals are dismissed as fools and losers, thank you. bettyellen Dec 2013 #133

good way to show the hate - keep up the good work geckosfeet Dec 2013 #135

that was just a slight bit of pity. don't flatter yourself. bettyellen Dec 2013 #136

Ha. I wouldn't think of it. geckosfeet Dec 2013 #165

Why are you so determined to defend the far right? BainsBane Dec 2013 #166

Thanks to you as well for demonstrating the need for articles such as the OP. redqueen Dec 2013 #174

The gungeon must be slow BainsBane Dec 2013 #158

It's over your head by virtue of not bothering to read the article BainsBane Dec 2013 #168

Poor, poor you. BainsBane Dec 2013 #181

There needs to be a part six RC Dec 2013 #34

as usual i stopped reading with your offensive first sentence. you do not belong in this group. your seabeyond Dec 2013 #37

This OP was on the Home page. RC Dec 2013 #40

i do not care where the Op was. you are adult enough, and capable enough to simply look seabeyond Dec 2013 #42

What will we learn? BainsBane Dec 2013 #145

boston... as a member of this group, and probably the first time ever, i ask you consider banning seabeyond Dec 2013 #38

oy geek tragedy Dec 2013 #56

thank you geek. he is very consistent with these insults to us, while pretending not. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #61

Nice catch! And commentary! xulamaude Dec 2013 #89

There is help out there. chervilant Dec 2013 #65

I did. RC Dec 2013 #68

I didn't mean chervilant Dec 2013 #75

Feminism in general, yes. RC Dec 2013 #84

"In Your Face" type feminist, huh? xulamaude Dec 2013 #86

yes. he defines feminism and the ones that do not follow his definition have emotional damage. seabeyond Dec 2013 #87

Yeah, feminists should be deferential to men. They seem to have not gotten that memo. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #91

"what some woman's definition of feminism is" BainsBane Dec 2013 #149

"Didn't you read my post?" Squinch Dec 2013 #101

Maybe you should do more than skim my post. RC Dec 2013 #105

yet... you have to continually, always, consistently throw in your jabs toward hof. and why oh why, seabeyond Dec 2013 #106

You want us to stop recommending threads and have others who haven't ever made a single post in here boston bean Dec 2013 #107

No, you take responsibility. RC Dec 2013 #108

Apparently, you don't understand me at all. boston bean Dec 2013 #109

After my first post, where I did not see the HoF, I was defending my position. RC Dec 2013 #112

so, this is how many posts? you are well aware you are in hof, STILL the insults. ya. get over it seabeyond Dec 2013 #113

You are ignoring that you are posting in this group, and insulting the hell out of us. boston bean Dec 2013 #114

Like I said... RC Dec 2013 #115

Like I know, you are always quick to blame but never any self introspection. boston bean Dec 2013 #116

Be sweet, not angry little lady!1! nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #117

scary. reading BB's post above, i just caught a glance and thought rc was telling bb to be ..... seabeyond Dec 2013 #119

It is scary that it's not that much of a stretch to think xulamaude Dec 2013 #120

In his mind, he was a briliant ray of positivity.... does he even read what he wrote?? boston bean Dec 2013 #121

Yeah, see he's not being insulting or negative xulamaude Dec 2013 #123

i am telling ya. i haev had two years experience with this dazzling brilliance. and that is exactly seabeyond Dec 2013 #124

Yeah, but he has an interest in psychology, and has read books. Therefore, he feels he Squinch Dec 2013 #127

He uses way more words though... yup. lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #122

or like you said. take responsibility. you insult. dude. that would be negative. all the time, seabeyond Dec 2013 #118

You are more than welcome to defend far right wing men's groups BainsBane Dec 2013 #154

personally attacking a group of people is not "opinion". it is stepping in and personally attacking seabeyond Dec 2013 #110

Yet for some reason you've decided your problems with your ex girlfirends BainsBane Dec 2013 #153

HoF is a group not a forum sheshe2 Dec 2013 #162

Maybe not. Again, based on the first line of your post and a quick skim: Squinch Dec 2013 #125

lol lol.... oh your laugh is infectious. i wonder what that means, lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #126

The message is we're not supposed to be "in your face feminists" BainsBane Dec 2013 #152

Don't broadbrush men BainsBane Dec 2013 #156

But he has an interest in psychology, so we all need to listen. Squinch Dec 2013 #164

your one crappy realtionship has nothing to do with the OP. If you actully read it, you would not bettyellen Dec 2013 #134

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #137

it only took all day for someone to alert? of course it stays. insulting feminists is the in thing seabeyond Dec 2013 #138

Why did you feel the need to post that jury result. boston bean Dec 2013 #140

I post all the juries I'm in. Transparency is good. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #141

So, you came here to help out? Good to know. nt boston bean Dec 2013 #142

It not about you or the group. its about DU. I post all leave it juries on which I serve. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #143

Here's another thing about DU BainsBane Dec 2013 #147

Are jury results a violation of this group's SOP? aikoaiko Dec 2013 #148

Read them BainsBane Dec 2013 #150

I support the SOP for this group. And I bid you good night. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #155

It stirs up shit BainsBane Dec 2013 #146

You presume incorrectly. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #151

Tell us not to broadbrush BainsBane Dec 2013 #144

A plea to greatest pagers - read the actual article, not just the title. Dash87 Dec 2013 #41

So many women have such good reason to be xulamaude Dec 2013 #57

this is what amazes me. rape, abuse, murder, oppression, submission, subjugated, degraded seabeyond Dec 2013 #62

Part Four left out an important "Men's Rights" issue... chromotone Dec 2013 #59

all with expectation of bringing in income while doing all housework, caring of children, feeding seabeyond Dec 2013 #64

Oy, so you start with a gender stereotype and then blame women for the stereotype being geek tragedy Dec 2013 #69

Jesus wept. for real. tragc. just leave the man alone. and assume ALL responsibilities running seabeyond Dec 2013 #70

apparently lighting the furnace is an example of gender oppression. who knew? geek tragedy Dec 2013 #72

btw... i lit the pilot last saturday in game room so a bunch of teenage boys could stay warm. seabeyond Dec 2013 #73

depends, did you bake cookies for them too? nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #74

lol... tomorrow or the next day. though i provided snack food. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #80

did you do that on bended knee and a tray of refreshments in your other hand? boston bean Dec 2013 #88

nah. these boys love me. follow me around going on and on and on. they just do not see me seabeyond Dec 2013 #90

Expected of men by whom? MadrasT Dec 2013 #76

Eventually I did it all except maintain a couple of third world cars Warpy Dec 2013 #82

Another of the more unintentionally hilarious posts on this board. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #77

What about households in which no men live? xulamaude Dec 2013 #78

You satirist, you. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #96

My husband has multiple sclerosis ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #100

Are you 80? Squinch Dec 2013 #102

Well said. redqueen Dec 2013 #103

Maybe he's a time traveller from the 1950's...the handle implies it. nt raccoon Dec 2013 #104

Heh! ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #128

Did you mistake someone in here for your wife? BainsBane Dec 2013 #163

Oh look. MadrasT Dec 2013 #79

lmao. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #81

Shocked! Shocked I tell you. I think these guys are the flies that you catch Squinch Dec 2013 #130

!!! redqueen Dec 2013 #177

. Squinch Dec 2013 #185

Part Four was outstanding. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #92

du rec Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #93

Holy shit... I thought this was an old OP. This escalated quickly. redqueen Dec 2013 #97

This is such good stuff ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #98

Proud to K&R UtahLib Dec 2013 #111

I used to get annoyed by the phrase "What about the menz?" because it seemed overly nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #139

Oh yeah. Menz doesn't mean men BainsBane Dec 2013 #159

I get that, yeah. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #186

"Why People Being Shitty to You Is Not the Same as You Being Systematically Disenfranchised " Yep. bettyellen Dec 2013 #129