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Newest Reality

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25. It is so flexible
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 12:17 AM
Mar 2013

and multifaceted that it is utilized as both. It can also be a form of ancient psychology, or medicine, so to speak.

Some people just want to go get blessing from the Lama and have a good feeling or expectation of good fortune in the future. Maybe the read some sutras and try to be more ethical and kind. They may be at a stage where they take literally what is a metaphor or conflate the internal and external. From that religious perspective, they always have an opening to enter the monastic, messianic or apocalyptic vehicles, and not necessarily in any order. They are, even from a religious and devote belief perspective, imprinting something on their mind-streams and, most likely, benefiting in various ways from Dharma. However, the same can be said of sincere followers of any religion.

Philosophy as a basis for understanding what we know and how, as well as an insight into behavior and relationships is valuable for those who sit back and think about things like that and need to appease their minds by way of inquiry and answers to salient questions. The teachings of the Buddhas certainly provide a treasure trove of material in that arena.

Since the basic core of the teachings is about removing the various obscuration of the shining mind, which is understood as liberation in respect to disturbing emotions and enlightenment in respect to disturbing/obscuring thoughts, the philosophy and logic involved in clearing the mind, (clear-light mind) would imply something transcending a merely religious approach, and yet, it does not exclude, at any point or stage, the rather rare, sudden realization of either or both along the way. When you are ripe, you are ripe, no matter how it comes about. In fact, one obscuration can be to expect how and when it will emerge and unfold since it is literally right here now, nothing new, and never goes away.

However, I am not a Buddhist which just means that I don't subscribe to any particular facet of the ism aspect. My practice is Buddha-dharma and largely pragmatic in that it includes whatever works. Exploring the vehicles and their methods as a whole can lead to sudden insights as to how they relate, what Dharma actually is, and what the core essence of liberation and enlightenment is or is not.

So, the flexibility includes that approach as well as investing yourself in a particular vehicle or school of Buddhism in whatever way fits closely to your current proclivities and tendencies.

While wrong and right way are initially important in the relative sense and discernment depends on them as a foundation, eventually that can lead to the kind of clarity that reveals the absolute relationship of that duality and how the relative and absolute coexist.

I think people tend to look at Buddhism and relate to what captivates them where they are conceptually. The various methods and schools may be available to you, but your tendencies will stick quite naturally to one or more. The dynamics are flexible and you could follow one or move from one to another or even try to swallow the whole lot, depending on you, not the teachings themselves. They can fit like spandex, or a baggy pair of jeans. Sometimes you go naked like Samantabhadra, the adibuddha.

I'm not discouraging or encouraging a particular way to practice, though I do encourage a realistic and fair investigation into the methods, logic and means. What I would suggest for us Westerners is to relax more and more and more. Dive into Dharma in a way that feels comfortable and resonant with what you most deeply understand to be your current nature as you are because, that's where you are going, anyway. Worry less and trust that your insights will grow as you continue sincerely and with the right goal in mind. You may find that the provisional teachings will be your ladder to the definitive and that right understanding of the relative, or conventional truth will naturally reveal the essence of the ultimate or absolute truth implicit in your every experience. Then inner clarity will shine on the definitive teaching most brightly!

While it is enjoyable to enter debate on these matters, (is it more like this or more like that) I have found it impossible to pin the tail on the dharma and, rather than finding that frustrating. it turns out to be revealed as not a negation, but a proof of what the dharma actually is. It is quite the mirror and the reflection is what matters until the mirror reflects nothing else, not even itself.

Religion, philosophy, psychology, ontology, cosmology, medicine? That is a matter of imputation of course, Interpolation and repudiation from our side plays a big part in determining that. The degree of compassion that wells up and becomes action is the perfect and unerring barometer of the results, no matter.

Oh my! He who speaks does not know and he knows does not speak. Judging by all that writing, I've given myself away.



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Philosophy Of Life - Not Religion cantbeserious Dec 2012 #1
Buddhism is accepted and practiced as both throughout the world randr Dec 2012 #2
depends on the sect mzteris Dec 2012 #3
I don't know of any that worship Buddha white_wolf Dec 2012 #4
but the "worship" mzteris Dec 2012 #7
Religion. bananas Dec 2012 #5
Don't forget the monks, monasteries, temples, rituals, etc bananas Dec 2012 #6
i am really facinated at the really serious misconceptions about Buddhism. rabid_byter Feb 2013 #21
Is there a difference between the two? ellisonz Dec 2012 #8
I think so. white_wolf Dec 2012 #9
Many would argue that this is a distinction without a difference... ellisonz Dec 2012 #10
Many Buddhists are atheists obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #18
to paraphrase Bill Clinton - who now visits Buddhist temples in NYC, fairly regularly .... marasinghe Dec 2012 #11
Buddhism is both a religion and a philosophy! WanderingYogini Dec 2012 #12
Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #13
On a tangent, sort of, I view religion as distinct from spirituality in that religion is organized byeya Dec 2012 #14
There are variants depending on tradition. Some seems like religion mmonk Dec 2012 #15
I think... SoapBox Dec 2012 #16
Ethical path obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #17
For me it's all in how one responds to doctrine. GliderGuider Dec 2012 #19
actually Buddhism is a 'Psychology'. rabid_byter Feb 2013 #20
I never thought about it from the angle of Psychology, but it makes sense. white_wolf Feb 2013 #22
I view it as spiritual, value-based psychology JudyM Mar 2013 #31
I think the Buddha would say that it is a path leftyladyfrommo Mar 2013 #23
You said it well libodem Mar 2013 #24
It is so flexible Newest Reality Mar 2013 #25
I believe Buddhism is a religion for several reasons. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #26
I think the Dalai Lama called himself a Compassionate Agnostic. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2013 #27
Sure, but none of that means Buddhism is not a religion. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #28
Depends on your definition of religion. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2013 #29
I think of religion as supernatural answers to life's "big" philosophical questions. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #30
I've been reading the Delai Lama book on Anger leftyladyfrommo Mar 2013 #32
Although reincarnation is not worshipped, belief in reincarnation is belief in the supernatural. Pterodactyl Apr 2013 #35
I guess I don't spend a lot of time thinking about what it is. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #33
In my view, it is a religion. Pterodactyl Apr 2013 #34
I think most people refer to it as a religion. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2013 #36
Yes. grantcart Apr 2013 #37
Philosophy Of Life just like AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #38
Religion, at least in Asia. M.G. Oct 2013 #39
either, both, and more. MasonDreams Oct 2015 #40
Philosophy and psychology vlyons Oct 2015 #41
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