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In reply to the discussion: The Four Noble Truths [View all]

ellisonz

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2. I find that after 10 years of wondering...
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:04 AM
Feb 2012

...that the four noble truths cannot be taken out of a context of severe emptiness, and after that there is nothing that can be known or not-known. Getting to either end is the trouble, there is a certain value in shiftlessness in trying to choose to head down the way toward truth, otherwise it feels rushed, and not quite true; it is all very suspicious in a funny way.

For those lurking:

The four truths are presented within the Buddha's first discourse, Setting in Motion the Wheel of the Dharma (Dharmacakra Pravartana Sūtra). An English translation is as follows:

"This is the noble truth of dukkha: birth is dukkha, aging is dukkha, illness is dukkha, death is dukkha; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are dukkha; union with what is displeasing is dukkha; separation from what is pleasing is dukkha; not to get what one wants is dukkha; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are dukkha."
"This is the noble truth of the origin of dukkha: it is this craving which leads to renewed existence, accompanied by delight and lust, seeking delight here and there, that is, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for existence, craving for extermination."
"This is the noble truth of the cessation of dukkha: it is the remainderless fading away and cessation of that same craving, the giving up and relinquishing of it, freedom from it, nonreliance on it."
"This is the noble truth of the way leading to the cessation of dukkha: it is the Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness and right concentration."

Translation of Pali terms

The Pali wordings of the four noble truths can be translated as:

Dukkha - "uneasy"; "unsteady, disquieted"; unsatisfactoriness.
Dukkha Samudaya - "arising", "coming to existence"; the origination of Dukkha.
Dukkha Nirodha - to confine, release; "control or restraint"; the cessation of Dukkha.
Dukkha Nirodha Gamini Patipada - Gamini: leading to, making for - Patipada: road, path, way; the means of reaching a goal or destination - The way of practice leading to the cessation of Dukkha.

The Pali terms ariya sacca(Sanskrit: arya satya) are commonly translated as "noble truths". Arya means "noble", "not ordinary"; sacca means "truth" or "reality".

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths


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The Four Noble Truths [View all] Newest Reality Feb 2012 OP
nice post NR. marasinghe Feb 2012 #1
I find that after 10 years of wondering... ellisonz Feb 2012 #2
Thank You! Newest Reality Feb 2012 #3
You're welcome. ellisonz Feb 2012 #4
I agree Newest Reality Feb 2012 #5
I am in concurrance... ellisonz Feb 2012 #6
personally, i don't see anything to criticize - either in your posts, or in NR's. marasinghe Feb 2012 #7
You are quite correct... ellisonz Feb 2012 #8
i'm sure you understood - the paraphrase was not a commentary on your post; it was just in passing. marasinghe Feb 2012 #11
One wheel Newest Reality Feb 2012 #12
since you referred to it ~ a link to DharmaNet. marasinghe Feb 2012 #15
So interesting to be reminded libodem Feb 2012 #9
Loving Kindness Newest Reality Feb 2012 #10
I love your group libodem Feb 2012 #13
It finally seems to Newest Reality Feb 2012 #14
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