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NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
24. Dialog isn't a mere tit for tat...
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:15 AM
Oct 2019

...and it would be meaningless to respond to a thesis that isn't fully defined.

Your request for the a logical basis for the thesis you posted (i.e. the Original Question {OQ}):

i.e. Theism is delusional.


Is an interesting topic for discussion, but we need to agree on what is being discussed, in order to have meaningful dialog.

I asked for your definition of Delusional.

You replied with:
A belief that is contradicted by reality.
Example: The earth is demonstrably and provably spherical. Any claim that the earth is flat is obviously delusional.


Your definition largely comports with the Webster definition:

1a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated

1b psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.

2 : the act of tricking or deceiving someone : the state of being deluded …

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/delusion

I will slightly modify Webster's general definition, to avoid using the word or its root in the definition, to offer: A persistent belief that is falsely believed or propagated about one's self, other persons or objects outside the self.


Once we get these definitional questions/uncertainties cleared up, we can then systematically work our way to answering the OQ. Any demand that we jump ahead to a poorly evaluated response to the OQ before we clear up all definitional questions strongly suggests that that there is an agenda out there which is angling for a pre-planned or canned answer. I would like to avoid that if possible.

Let's work on an answer to your OQ together and reach an mutually agreeable conclusion, through honest dialog.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2019 #1
Nice thx njhoneybadger Oct 2019 #2
Do you want to start a side pool Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #3
I don't know what anyone else will pick... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #5
Optimism bias Igel Oct 2019 #14
Very handy! Thanks. smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #4
And which of these are you immune to? guillaumeb Oct 2019 #6
None. NeoGreen Oct 2019 #7
Yes. But you did answer. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #8
Define delusional... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #9
A belief that is contradicted by reality. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #10
Your own faith has certain tenets about the nature of your god does it not? AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #12
My own faith, and any faith, does not rely on proof. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #20
Again, your faith(TM) or religion makes truth claims about the nature of your god(s), correct? AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #22
These claims are essentially hypotheses about the nature of the Creator. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #23
That is not how they are presented by the humans that advocate for them. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #25
Wait a minute, how are we supposed to recify... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #26
How does one differentiate your definition of delusion from... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #13
I guess a delusion would be... uriel1972 Oct 2019 #16
I answered. Now, you answer my question posed in reply #8. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #21
Dialog isn't a mere tit for tat... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #24
So essentially, you refuse to answer. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #28
Just the complete opposite... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #29
I provided a definition. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #30
You know, you really are tedious, you claim you want dialog... NeoGreen Oct 2019 #31
Do you believe Jesus Christ literally existed, was literally dead for 3 days (ok, a day and a half) trotsky Oct 2019 #18
Wait, whose position is that? trotsky Oct 2019 #27
Think of it like an innoculation. It enables your immune system to recognize an invader. AtheistCrusader Oct 2019 #11
An excellent answer. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #19
Media hostility bias. Igel Oct 2019 #15
Whoa boy, here are my cardinal sins: Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #17
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