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12. There's another safe harbor provison. And warning about paying a lot of estimated tax late in year
Sat Apr 15, 2023, 06:46 PM
Apr 2023

The first safe harbor provision, meaning no penalties for underpayment, is (say we're talking about paying estimated taxes in 2023 for 2023 tax year):

Pay at least 100% of 2022's actual tax

The second one is:

Pay at least 90% of 2023's actual tax (requires good predictive capability).

If either one is met, no penalty. The above are for AGI's of $150,000 or less (same for singles, heads of households and married filing jointly).

For AGIs over $150,000 the first percentage is 110%. The 2nd one is the same 90%.

Edited to add If one's tax is less than $1000, or one's tax minus withholding is less than $1000 (don't count estimated payments, just withholding) one is safe. This from looking at the top of Form 2210 /END EDIT.

On paying a year's estimated taxes lumped late in the year: They calculate required tax payments on a quarter - by quarter basis (roughly, see p.3 of Form 2210). One can contest that, e.g. I have a lot of "income" in December because that's when I do Roth conversions and do my IRA RMD's (both count as taxable income), but then one has to fill out Form 2210.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f2210.pdf

A harsh experience from an earlier year with TurboTax: in that year I had a $3 underpayment penalty for federal. I could have contested that by filling out Form 2210, but then TurboTax would not let me file electronically and I'd have to print and mail it in. Obviously its not worth my time / expense for a $3 saving.

As for Minnesota, I had a $2 underpayment penalty. TurboTax would not let me file electronically, FFS, even though I wasn't contesting it. IOW, simply having a Minnesota underpayment penalty forced me to print and mail it in.

Edited to add: Both underpayment penalties resulted from paying too little early in the year, not because my payments in total were below the requirement. My total year cumulative payment did meet the requirement. /END EDIT

Dunno if TurboTax / Minnesota is still that stupid, that was 4 or 5 years ago. But probably.

Disclosure: I'm *NOT* a tax professional, just another anonymous message board rando.

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I just turned in my federal income taxes. [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2023 OP
Just A Thought Ahna KneeMoose Apr 2023 #1
I did that. I fill out a .pdf of each form ahead of time and those to fill out the forms at the IRS. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2023 #4
I have my 975 dollar check all filled out. Going on Monday to mail it. jimfields33 Apr 2023 #2
This year: $5,800 to federal, $800 to state. Electronic payments scheduled for Apr 17 progree Apr 2023 #7
Yowza! That's pretty hefty. Thank you for doing what you do! jimfields33 Apr 2023 #9
I didn't know you could do that. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2023 #11
There's another safe harbor provison. And warning about paying a lot of estimated tax late in year progree Apr 2023 #12
I took one look at the 2210 and didn't bother to fill it out. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2023 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author bucolic_frolic Apr 2023 #3
Do you live in a state with income tax? question everything Apr 2023 #5
Yes, Virginia. Virginia's forms are not due until May 1. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2023 #6
Do these things calculate the other fields? progree Apr 2023 #8
If you itemize your deductions on federal you probably can use standard deductions for the state question everything Apr 2023 #10
My taxes involve a lot fewer forms. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2023 #14
But do they do all the intermediate calculations for the forms that they support? Thanks progree Apr 2023 #15
Oh, yes. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2023 #16
Thanks, I'll have to try it out as an estimator /nt progree Apr 2023 #17
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