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Ms. Toad

(39,011 posts)
41. No, it's not what he means.
Mon Jul 6, 2026, 06:56 PM
Jul 6

Have you even bothered to read the opinions?

There are two legal authorities for citizenship: the Constitution, and federal statues.

All 9 justices (the legal deciders for what the words in the constitution mean) weighed in on whether the phrase in the 14th amendment of the Constitution (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof) exclude the children of people not here legally.

5 said no - the phrase only excludes children born to parents who are foreign diplomats.

4 said yes - the phrase excludes not only children born to parents who are foreign diplomats.

Kavanaugh was one of those 4 - meaning that he believes the Constitution does not grant citizenship to the individuals in question.

If they are not citizens by virtue of the constitution, as he (and three more of the deciders) believes, then they can be granted citizenship by statue (in a way similar to adoptees born in a foreign country are granted citizenship - even though they aren't burn here.

He believes they are already granted citizenship by statute - which is why he joined in the judgment that Trump's order was unlawful, but not the opinion as to why it was unlawful.

He is not saying (I.e. he does not mean) Congress can override the constitution. He is saying that because the only reason they have citizenship is because Congress gave it to them, Congress can take it away.

In other words, he is saying that Congress can override a statute (not the constitution), and that this particular question is ultimately one of statutory interpretation, and he believes that the other 3 folks who voted with him on the constitutional question (birthright citizenship by constitution) got it wrong on the statutory question (citizenship by statute).

If you insist that Kavanaugh really believes Congress can override the constitution (as you have claimed), please read his dissent and quote where he says that. Pro tip: you won't be able to find it, because that isn't what he said, or believes. But it might give you a bit of much needed education on how constitutional interpretation actually works to spend some time reading the explanation - so you can see that NONE of the deciders - including the 5 in the majority - ignored the relevant phrase (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof).


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Kavanaugh doesn't understand the constitution DemocracyForever Jul 1 #1
Or he was trying to give trump Figarosmom Jul 1 #2
Congressional law can never override the constitution DemocracyForever Jul 1 #3
They can always pass a law to give the Supreme Court another shot to get it "right". Ilikepurple Jul 1 #8
It would need to be a legal move DemocracyForever Jul 2 #13
I never said reconsider the case. An actual law could be rightly challenged and reach the Supreme Court. Ilikepurple Jul 2 #14
Again, Congressional law can't override the constitution. DemocracyForever Jul 2 #17
What would you be saying if the numbers for this case were reversed? Ilikepurple Jul 2 #20
The 14th amendment is clear DemocracyForever Jul 3 #21
This is still just an opinion and one that doesn't carry the force of law if the Supreme Court decides otherwise. Ilikepurple Jul 3 #25
It's called actual facts DemocracyForever Jul 4 #31
That's so wrong DemocracyForever Sunday #52
Literally why so many amendments start with "congress shall make no law..." SSJVegeta Saturday #51
Congressional laws can never overturn the constitution DemocracyForever Jul 2 #18
"What's a constitution?" - Brett NameAlreadyTaken Jul 1 #4
The U.S. constitution DemocracyForever Jul 1 #7
That's not what he is saying. Ms. Toad Jul 2 #15
It's not accurate DemocracyForever Jul 2 #16
The constitution is only as clear as those designated to interpret say it is. Ms. Toad Jul 2 #19
"All persons" is clear DemocracyForever Jul 3 #22
Four of the people who we have charged with deciding what the constitution means disagree with you. Ms. Toad Jul 3 #23
I'm amazed by the tongue twisting DemocracyForever Jul 3 #24
I'm not sure who you are arguing against in this thread. Ilikepurple Jul 3 #27
Are you saying the children of foreign diplomats Ms. Toad Jul 3 #28
So don't believe your eyes? DemocracyForever Jul 4 #29
I am United States attorney Ms. Toad Jul 4 #37
NAACP Legal Defense Fund chair disagrees with you DemocracyForever Jul 5 #38
Under current law, yes. Ms. Toad Jul 5 #39
It's clearly what Kavanaugh meant DemocracyForever Jul 6 #40
No, it's not what he means. Ms. Toad Jul 6 #41
In your world 2+25 DemocracyForever Jul 7 #42
In n other words, you either haven't read the opinions Ms. Toad Jul 7 #43
Again in your world 2+25 DemocracyForever Jul 8 #44
That still does not support your contention that he doesn't understand the Constitution. Ms. Toad Jul 8 #45
The tongue twisting is boundless DemocracyForever Thursday #46
As I explained, there are two sources of citizenship: the constitution and statute. Ms. Toad Thursday #47
Kavanaugh is wrong DemocracyForever Friday #48
Not what you said Ms. Toad Friday #49
The tongue twisting is boundless DemocracyForever Saturday #50
Congress can pass an amendment to override................... Lovie777 Jul 1 #5
Congress can pass a constitutional amendment DemocracyForever Jul 4 #30
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