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36. no, the courts fell short, then the American people followed
Fri May 15, 2026, 02:43 PM
May 15

read some facts and respond to them, instead of the simple proposition that time passed and it must be the prosecution's fault.

Politico put it succinctly in outlining conclusions in Smith's final report:

___A common sentiment on the left is that Garland was too deferential to Trump after Joe Biden took office and failed to unleash the full might of the department on the former president for nearly two years. The delay, critics say, made it much more difficult for Smith — once he was appointed in November 2022 — to bring Trump to trial before the 2024 election.

But Smith’s report emphasized that the Justice Department was aggressively investigating leads related to Trump long before the special counsel’s tenure began. Litigation tactics by Trump and his allies, Smith argued, were the key factors that slowed the process to a crawl.

...It took Smith more than a year to obtain text messages between Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.) and Trump DOJ official Jeffrey Clark. And the department spent months fighting to access communications of John Eastman, a lawyer who helped devise Trump’s last-ditch efforts to remain in power.

The most protracted battles of all stemmed from Trump’s “broad invocation of executive privilege to try to prevent witnesses from providing evidence,” Smith wrote. It took months of secretive legal proceedings to secure testimony from Trump White House aides such as Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino and Pat Cipollone. Former Vice President Mike Pence also resisted testifying until a court ordered him to reveal some — but not all — details about his interactions with Trump. Smith noted that judges broadly rejected Trump’s privilege claims, with one holding that he was engaged in an “obvious” effort to delay the investigation.

Smith also drew attention to what may have been his biggest foil: the Supreme Court. He pointed out that the justices rebuffed his effort to put Trump’s presidential immunity claims on a similar timetable to the one the court adopted five decades earlier in litigation over Watergate and President Richard Nixon’s tapes.

And Smith argued that the Supreme Court’s resolution of Trump’s immunity assertion essentially guaranteed another round of litigation that would have been all but certain to return to the justices if Trump had not won the election and the prosecution had continued.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/14/jack-smith-special-counsel-report-takeaways-00198252


ANYTIME folks are ready to move past this embarrassing abandonment of the Trump prosecution, and are willing to reject the Trump DOGE-enabling attacks on what's essentially the prosecutors who worked successfully to indictments with more than enough time for a trial (the ones getting fired right now for doing the job the left claims never happened), we can all confront the corrupt, interfering and enabling courts together, who, should be noted, unlike the efforts of the Biden DOJ, did not hasten justice in their respective positions in order to protect the American people from the clear and present insurrectionist.

I mean, they're still fucking there enabling the man they allowed back into office, and Garland is out of power.

When is this avoidance going to end of refusing to confront the people who engineered the delays until the election? Critics are still mired in attacking the prosecution instead of the perp; working to downplay and discredit the prosecution of Trump, even as the WH is working to downplay and discredit the prosecution and jail the prosecutors.

How many of these critics even know what's in the indictment, or the present state of the charges. Do they care? Clue: They're preserved for a future prosecution. Why the flagging energy for that effort? Wondering myself, given the lengths gone to drag the prosecution?

Did it ever occur to you that you have the absolute wrong person in your sights?

Doesn't it feel the least bit weird attacking the prosecutors, instead of the judges and justices who actually delayed a trial for charges that dropped some SEVENTEEN MONTHS before we voted?

I mean, they're STILL FUCKING IN POWER.

The person who was doing the right thing is not.

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who else is attacking Trump's prosecutors, and the man who convicted the rioters Trump pardoned, released bigtree May 15 #1
Where are Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco Today? gab13by13 May 15 #2
Garland delayed in prosecuting Trump after GOP tried to delay his nomination for a huge loss of time. GreenWave May 15 #4
Money, Power, Fascism -- The Octopus Kid Berwyn May 15 #3
and the Supreme Court who not only enabled Trump back into office bigtree May 15 #7
Garland did not stop the traitor nor his conspiracy. Kid Berwyn May 15 #20
charges were brought some 17 months before the election bigtree May 15 #22
In truth, it goes back to Dealey Plaza on 22 November 1963. Kid Berwyn May 15 #24
The Berwyn Book Encyclopedia yellow dahlia May 15 #64
The OCTOPUS in Dallas: Poppy involved in JFK Assassination Kid Berwyn May 16 #77
Thanks, Kid! yellow dahlia May 16 #78
Garland fell short for whatever reason and on that basis given the ramifications, was a colossal failure. Defending him KPN May 15 #29
no, the courts fell short, then the American people followed bigtree May 15 #36
Thanks for all the good information. Minds may not be changed, but facts will be out there. Joinfortmill May 16 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill May 15 #40
Agreed. The moment he knew of stolen state secrets he should arrested him... returnee May 15 #49
the courts failed us bigtree May 15 #50
As I understand it... returnee May 16 #66
The government brings the cases before the grand jury questionseverything May 17 #82
counterpunch was basically a Russian tool during the 2016 election bigtree May 15 #12
CounterPunch sucks most when they publish an article I don't agree with. Kid Berwyn May 15 #21
Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez is doing her courageous part with the Epstein horrors on her substack. Bumbles May 15 #5
If Merrick Garland is really "one of them" then why wasn't he approved for SCOTUS? FakeNoose May 15 #6
As Is Your Prerogative. But Don't Think You KNOW Garland...... ColoringFool May 15 #9
most people who pretend he's some double agent don't know anything about the actual prosecution bigtree May 15 #11
What became of those prosecutions? CivicGrief May 15 #30
instead of just being trifled with this bigtree May 15 #35
Ha! Future prosecutions. CivicGrief May 15 #41
what's sad is the literal surrender from people claiming to be so concerned with prosecuting Trump bigtree May 15 #47
If Jack Smith ever comes forward and says that Merrick Garland is actually "corrupt" and "in with them" FakeNoose May 15 #53
Garland hate guarantees clicks MorbidButterflyTat May 15 #33
Republicans prevented Garland Mad_Machine76 May 15 #62
That's because Garland is not (and never was) one of them FakeNoose May 16 #74
I HAVE SAID MOST OF THIS, EVEN BCCI. AND THEN THE "WOOO! TINHAT!" COMMENTS...... ColoringFool May 15 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree May 15 #10
To people like Thiel, Musk, and their employees manipulating the data to get their and the Powers That Be .. Botany May 15 #13
Don't forget the bomb threats karin_sj May 15 #52
I've been saying the same thing for years. Irish_Dem May 15 #18
The BCCI-CIA Connection: Just How Far Did It Go? Kid Berwyn May 22 #84
The Bush Crime Family had tentacles everywhere. Irish_Dem May 22 #85
May I suggest lonely bird May 15 #14
So glad that he prioritized avoiding the appearance of a political agenda Orrex May 15 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 16 #67
The Garland Society folks don't like this one bit. BannonsLiver May 15 #16
Garland society folks are pro prosecution of Trump bigtree May 15 #17
Bahahaha BannonsLiver May 15 #25
no doubt the Anti-Trump Prosecution society exists bigtree May 15 #37
Epstein class oligarchs irisblue May 15 #19
😬 Floyd R. Turbo May 15 #23
Bookmarking for later reading. Epstein-town? CoopersDad May 15 #26
Maybe that's why it always seems like 1 step forward 2 steps back bucolic_frolic May 15 #27
Well, one thing cannot be denied, Garland was an Obama SCOTUS choice. Joinfortmill May 15 #28
True. My understanding was he selected Garland as someone the R Senate would surely approve -- part of his "team of KPN May 15 #31
Great post/thread Botany, even if in small or even large part it is theory. Theory is what leads to finding facts and KPN May 15 #32
All I know is, Trump never talks about Garland nor does he seek revenge against him thebigidea May 15 #34
you have to be kidding bigtree May 15 #38
I see you graduated to Trump Truth Social posts CivicGrief May 15 #42
this is specious bigtree May 15 #45
It's a false claim to imply Trump is going after Garland in the courts like he is everyone else thebigidea May 15 #57
not yet bigtree May 15 #59
It's possible that Donald is AFRAID of Garland, with good reason I might add. Joinfortmill May 16 #70
Is "Thiswillhold" the QAnon of the left? chowder66 May 15 #39
It is BlueAnon. It pushes CT crackpottery that repeatededly has been debunked, yet it persists. Celerity May 15 #43
Yes. mr715 May 15 #56
I love history. I love mysteries. I love taking things... littlemissmartypants May 15 #44
Knowledge is good Botany May 15 #46
This thing, I call it the evil of psychopaths, has existed for all time. ... littlemissmartypants May 15 #48
The best way out of our current predicament is arresting the evil doers questionseverything May 17 #83
by the way, the substack is conspiratorial claptrap bigtree May 15 #51
It appears there is a good chance This Will Hold is actually Russian state sponsored disinformation Wiz Imp May 16 #76
It is difficult to have useful discussions of this type of material, because... TygrBright May 15 #54
You mean we should be a.... reACTIONary May 15 #65
Untangling the Octopus Kid Berwyn May 15 #55
who is this new poster, and what expertise does he have for making these claims bigtree May 15 #60
To help explain how Epstein was protected since Reagan. Kid Berwyn May 16 #73
Duh , kid is octo... octo is kid , he's a long time duer and he is always sourced questionseverything May 17 #81
It's disgusting to see this kooky CT nonsense rise to the top of the Greatest Page Fiendish Thingy May 15 #58
Every bit of it is sourced and footnoted. Hardly kooky conspiracy theory. Botany May 16 #71
Thanks for sharing, Botany! That was an important read. It was jam packed. yellow dahlia May 15 #61
This is why I have become a misanthrope. BigmanPigman May 15 #63
Garland was blueknight73 May 16 #69
a tragic mistake themaguffin May 16 #75
Well, there's this. It seems that Merrick Garland was NOT popular with the Federalist Society Joinfortmill May 16 #72
Eaton Corporation LessAspin May 16 #79
And in 2021 Eaton bought Tripp Lite and that allowed the placement of firmware patches onto the Botany May 17 #80
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