General Discussion

LearnedHand

(5,546 posts)

73. So, if they contain themselves to teargas and beatings

Wed Feb 4, 2026, 02:41 PM

Feb 2026

instead of murder, is that an example of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good? There is NO REFORMING this roving band of thugs. There is only abolishing the deeply deeply broken organization and starting from scratch.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

6 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

yellow dahlia yellow dahlia Scrivener7 Chin music MrsCheaplaugh Texas_Blue_Dem

150 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Chuck Schumer: Democrats want commonsense reform for ICE: [View all] demmiblue Feb 2026 OP

Drive more twenty somethings away from the party chuckles JT45242 Feb 2026 #1

Why is he still in Leadership? Why is it so hard to replace bad leadership? Ars Longa Feb 2026 #105

Yes common sense reforms for the slave patrol gestapo racist militia LuvLoogie Feb 2026 #2

Yeah, make them less Nazish? Swede Feb 2026 #3

Maybe we could dress them in pink tutus, yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #76

"abide by the same rules as local police." Johnny2X2X Feb 2026 #4

Are you sure about that? MichMan Feb 2026 #49

No, Chuck. We want ICE & ALL OF DHS ABOLISHED! SheltieLover Feb 2026 #5

Exactly cally Feb 2026 #28

And DHS, Dubya's post-911 nightmare creation. SheltieLover Feb 2026 #56

They are bdamomma Feb 2026 #37

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #77

AGREE ! republianmushroom Feb 2026 #48

Post removed Post removed Feb 2026 #6

This Democrat want's ICE fucking abolished. Maybe Chuck should push for something that Autumn Feb 2026 #7

It's a good start SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #8

WTF Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #11

This 😎 SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #18

Ivory Tower thinking is what got us into this mess. littlemissmartypants Feb 2026 #40

My objection to the quote came from the fact that it is usually used to say, "Accept less." In most Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #54

Trying to play nice is Chuck's default mode. And you are correct - yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #82

"Playing nice" mr715 Feb 2026 #92

No charisma. And indeed compromised. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #99

oh how true. choie Feb 2026 #131

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #61

Yeah, we saw how well defund the police worked for our side. Abolish ICE is another stinker slogan. beaglelover Feb 2026 #101

I completely disagree. mr715 Feb 2026 #117

Yeah but also don't let the good be the enemy of the better. Iggo Feb 2026 #126

Very true SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #127

How many WTF's can we use in a day? yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #80

So, if they contain themselves to teargas and beatings LearnedHand Feb 2026 #73

Nice strawman argument SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #78

Cool, so heads cracked open better than death. Win win! durablend Feb 2026 #88

Another great straw man SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #89

Exactly. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #83

You know what else helps Republicans? Bettie Feb 2026 #119

Every journey begins SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #120

All too often it feels like that single step Bettie Feb 2026 #122

Then maybe we should work SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2026 #123

This is the perfect response. mr715 Feb 2026 #132

Hey Chuckles BluenFLA Feb 2026 #9

That's the wrong approach, gab13by13 Feb 2026 #13

I'm good with border patrol for the most part. Fuck ICE and fuck reforming that bullshit Gestapo. Autumn Feb 2026 #15

Krasnov, well Miller, gab13by13 Feb 2026 #19

Border patrol existed long before Trumps ICE. Autumn Feb 2026 #20

But he will negotiate it with a stern tone. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #84

Ice really needs to go, though. We don't have to state that we're doing it, but we can take a Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #17

Yes exactly, gab13by13 Feb 2026 #22

THIS! yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #86

Fuck the MSM and ICE orangecrush Feb 2026 #52

Vichy bdamomma Feb 2026 #38

Schumer BeClowns himself everyday. 617Blue Feb 2026 #10

You need to be more specific Chuck, gab13by13 Feb 2026 #12

The only effective means to reform ICE is to replace its management Martin Eden Feb 2026 #14

not going to happen gab13by13 Feb 2026 #24

There really doesn't exist any leverage to defund ICE. LudwigPastorius Feb 2026 #90

Missing the target. Kid Berwyn Feb 2026 #16

Thomas Paine wrote a pamphlet called "Common Sense". Ping Tung Feb 2026 #21

This. I think we need to reprint Common Sense and give it away as a free gift for the 250th. ! n/t Cheezoholic Feb 2026 #33

THIS! yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #87

THIS orangecrush Feb 2026 #60

Thomas Paine is one of my favorite purveyor of words. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #103

"Sure, Senator, you can order milk and toast, but are you sure nothing else interests you?" JHB Feb 2026 #23

To the "Abolish ICE" folks, here's the problem EarlG Feb 2026 #25

+1 But Schumer shouldn't be the one making this case leftstreet Feb 2026 #26

I don't disagree with that EarlG Feb 2026 #27

Thank you EarlG bdamomma Feb 2026 #43

"Repeal and replace ICE" - excellent. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #106

Bingo, gab13by13 Feb 2026 #34

I hadn't read your comment yet, gab... yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #107

I want them to abolish their Ivory Tower approach. littlemissmartypants Feb 2026 #44

That could be a picture Jilly_in_VA Feb 2026 #47

Exactly--and well said. Look how well "defund the police" went from a political standpoint. Ol Janx Spirit Feb 2026 #50

Sorry, don't need this. orangecrush Feb 2026 #57

Yes. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #108

I guess I'm not seeing the whole puncture orangecrush Feb 2026 #63

I'm with you on that EarlG Feb 2026 #110

Incremental change orangecrush Feb 2026 #115

Thanks for the cogent thoughts for thought. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #104

"They'll behave if we treat them nice" ... Neville Chamberlain. usonian Feb 2026 #29

Just like Barney Fife ....no masks, no bullets! surfered Feb 2026 #30

Could he possibly sound any more milquetoast? How about "ICE as out of control and needs shutdown or massive overhaul." kysrsoze Feb 2026 #31

Call it what it is - yes. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #109

Talk about wishy washy lol n/t Cheezoholic Feb 2026 #32

At least the powder is still dry. flvegan Feb 2026 #35

Like talcum powder orangecrush Feb 2026 #55

Just as important, get rid of all the military crap they wear. patphil Feb 2026 #36

Gather the bdamomma Feb 2026 #45

Good start on a list. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #111

Memo to Schumer: AverageOldGuy Feb 2026 #39

You need to write it more sternly. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #112

DHS & ICE were created solely to sweep W's massive f*** up known as 9/11 under the rug. Crowman2009 Feb 2026 #41

Someone in DHS Jilly_in_VA Feb 2026 #42

Exactly. mr715 Feb 2026 #46

+1 orangecrush Feb 2026 #65

I'm with you, J in VA. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #113

You can't "fix" the gestapo, Chuck orangecrush Feb 2026 #51

You fix it by burning it down and salting the earth. mr715 Feb 2026 #72

Would abolishing ICE mean an end to all deportations? MichMan Feb 2026 #53

No. We have had deportations since our country began. ICE is 20 years old. Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #58

Wasn't sure how it was done before ICE MichMan Feb 2026 #64

Historically a lot of agencies have been invested with these powers mr715 Feb 2026 #71

I do, it was called the INS. Crowman2009 Feb 2026 #96

Democrats need common sense leadership mr715 Feb 2026 #59

I think we can SAY our position is reform, but I hope our leaders know we want that reform to Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #62

Someone with a pot conviction 30 years ago that is now working for the federal government should be fired? MichMan Feb 2026 #67

As always, your response says a lot. Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #68

You said " the firing of anyone with a criminal record" MichMan Feb 2026 #69

Have a lovely day, dear. Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #79

Yeah, reforms can cut to the bone. mr715 Feb 2026 #70

"need to be at the center of a conversation while saying absolutely nothing" yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #121

Effective OC375 Feb 2026 #66

No Chuck, we want you to pour salt on it. We WANT it destroyed. Volaris Feb 2026 #74

Chuck Schumer is not the problem MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2026 #75

I don't hate Schumer. Like the board on my deck that needs to be replaced because it no longer fits Autumn Feb 2026 #85

This is exactly, exactly the way to approach this. mr715 Feb 2026 #91

"By whom?" Bernie Sanders responded to that same question when it was asked to him. W_HAMILTON Feb 2026 #93

Senator Murphy seems to want the gig. mr715 Feb 2026 #94

Can you point me to where he has called on Schumer to step down and/or announced he was challenging him a leader? W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #135

Blame the voters, a great way to being an eternal minority. mr715 Feb 5 #143

It's called educating the voters and the reason for doing so is that they don't make the same mistake again. W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #145

You keep asking this. I'd concur that Murphy would be my choice, but there are a number who would do well. Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #97

Because I, like Sanders and most Democratic Senators, realize that changing leadership... W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #134

But, from your posts, you don't seem to think Scrivener7 Feb 5 #136

Oh come now... mr715 Feb 5 #141

Because there isn't much that can be done. W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #144

So is there anything you think is worthwhile to do now? Or will you continue to try and convince us that Scrivener7 Feb 5 #147

What is being done now is something that can be done. W_HAMILTON Feb 5 #148

What are you referring to? The partial shutdown? Haven't you argued that a shutdown is futile? Scrivener7 Feb 5 #150

"Abolish Schumer" anger-fests seem very addicting. Need that fix! betsuni Feb 2026 #95

Maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene could replace Chuck! MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2026 #114

Who here is supporting Greene? mr715 Feb 2026 #116

Can you link to any posts here that are supporting her? It seems like another of those Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #130

Don't wait for a link, you will be waiting forever. No one here supports MTG Autumn Feb 5 #138

Is this your way of saying she should? Because I'm sure not one soul here is looking for that. Autumn Feb 5 #137

I shall take your silence as a confession mr715 Feb 5 #139

He is right on this. Just like those who thought defund the police was a winning issue, it isn't. lostincalifornia Feb 2026 #81

The reality is that there will have to be some arm of the federal government that enforces immigration law. Jedi Guy Feb 2026 #98

Here's the thing, though mr715 Feb 2026 #118

Chuck Schumer is not the leader required in this time. yellow dahlia Feb 2026 #100

Jeezus, Chuck, wake up. It's an attempted coup Joinfortmill Feb 2026 #102

Wrong answer, Chuck. travelingthrulife Feb 2026 #124

I try so hard to support all Democrats MustLoveBeagles Feb 2026 #125

He did not ask me. LoisB Feb 2026 #128

Enough "common sense." Abolish DHS. DJ Synikus Makisimus Feb 2026 #129

IF we win both or even just one chamber EnergizedLib Feb 5 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 5 #140

You're really stupid aren't you? KS Toronado Feb 5 #142

How can we make sound policy when living in fear of GOP focus group results? Kid Berwyn Feb 5 #146

For Some God Knows What Reason, Too Many Democratic Leaders Like To..... ColoringFool Feb 5 #149