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Scrivener7

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54. My objection to the quote came from the fact that it is usually used to say, "Accept less." In most
Wed Feb 4, 2026, 12:23 PM
23 hrs ago

political situations, "Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good" is sensible. But Chuck has asked for the bare minimum here, and the situation is dire so, no, we should not be accepting less.

We should be demanding much more.

For example, there is nothing there about excluding ICE agents with criminal histories, histories of domestic abuse, or agents who can't read at an 8th grade level (which, according to Pro Publica, is most of them.)

AND we have the sentiment of the electorate behind us to do so.

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Drive more twenty somethings away from the party chuckles JT45242 Yesterday #1
Why is he still in Leadership? Why is it so hard to replace bad leadership? Ars Longa 18 hrs ago #105
Yes common sense reforms for the slave patrol gestapo racist militia LuvLoogie Yesterday #2
Yeah, make them less Nazish? Swede Yesterday #3
Maybe we could dress them in pink tutus, yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #76
"abide by the same rules as local police." Johnny2X2X Yesterday #4
Are you sure about that? MichMan 23 hrs ago #49
No, Chuck. We want ICE & ALL OF DHS ABOLISHED! SheltieLover Yesterday #5
Exactly cally Yesterday #28
And DHS, Dubya's post-911 nightmare creation. SheltieLover 23 hrs ago #56
They are bdamomma Yesterday #37
Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #77
AGREE ! republianmushroom 23 hrs ago #48
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #6
This Democrat want's ICE fucking abolished. Maybe Chuck should push for something that Autumn Yesterday #7
It's a good start SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #8
WTF Scrivener7 Yesterday #11
This 😎 SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #18
Ivory Tower thinking is what got us into this mess. littlemissmartypants 23 hrs ago #40
My objection to the quote came from the fact that it is usually used to say, "Accept less." In most Scrivener7 23 hrs ago #54
Trying to play nice is Chuck's default mode. And you are correct - yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #82
"Playing nice" mr715 20 hrs ago #92
No charisma. And indeed compromised. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #99
oh how true. choie 13 hrs ago #131
Exactly SocialDemocrat61 23 hrs ago #61
Yeah, we saw how well defund the police worked for our side. Abolish ICE is another stinker slogan. beaglelover 18 hrs ago #101
I completely disagree. mr715 16 hrs ago #117
Yeah but also don't let the good be the enemy of the better. Iggo 15 hrs ago #126
Very true SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #127
How many WTF's can we use in a day? yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #80
So, if they contain themselves to teargas and beatings LearnedHand 21 hrs ago #73
Nice strawman argument SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #78
Cool, so heads cracked open better than death. Win win! durablend 21 hrs ago #88
Another great straw man SocialDemocrat61 21 hrs ago #89
Exactly. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #83
You know what else helps Republicans? Bettie 16 hrs ago #119
Every journey begins SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #120
All too often it feels like that single step Bettie 15 hrs ago #122
Then maybe we should work SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #123
This is the perfect response. mr715 13 hrs ago #132
Hey Chuckles BluenFLA Yesterday #9
That's the wrong approach, gab13by13 Yesterday #13
I'm good with border patrol for the most part. Fuck ICE and fuck reforming that bullshit Gestapo. Autumn Yesterday #15
Krasnov, well Miller, gab13by13 Yesterday #19
Border patrol existed long before Trumps ICE. Autumn Yesterday #20
But he will negotiate it with a stern tone. yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #84
Ice really needs to go, though. We don't have to state that we're doing it, but we can take a Scrivener7 Yesterday #17
Yes exactly, gab13by13 Yesterday #22
THIS! yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #86
Fuck the MSM and ICE orangecrush 23 hrs ago #52
Vichy bdamomma Yesterday #38
Schumer BeClowns himself everyday. 617Blue Yesterday #10
You need to be more specific Chuck, gab13by13 Yesterday #12
The only effective means to reform ICE is to replace its management Martin Eden Yesterday #14
not going to happen gab13by13 Yesterday #24
There really doesn't exist any leverage to defund ICE. LudwigPastorius 21 hrs ago #90
Missing the target. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #16
Thomas Paine wrote a pamphlet called "Common Sense". Ping Tung Yesterday #21
This. I think we need to reprint Common Sense and give it away as a free gift for the 250th. ! n/t Cheezoholic Yesterday #33
THIS! yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #87
THIS orangecrush 23 hrs ago #60
Thomas Paine is one of my favorite purveyor of words. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #103
"Sure, Senator, you can order milk and toast, but are you sure nothing else interests you?" JHB Yesterday #23
To the "Abolish ICE" folks, here's the problem EarlG Yesterday #25
+1 But Schumer shouldn't be the one making this case leftstreet Yesterday #26
I don't disagree with that EarlG Yesterday #27
Thank you EarlG bdamomma 23 hrs ago #43
"Repeal and replace ICE" - excellent. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #106
Bingo, gab13by13 Yesterday #34
I hadn't read your comment yet, gab... yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #107
I want them to abolish their Ivory Tower approach. littlemissmartypants 23 hrs ago #44
That could be a picture Jilly_in_VA 23 hrs ago #47
Exactly--and well said. Look how well "defund the police" went from a political standpoint. Ol Janx Spirit 23 hrs ago #50
Sorry, don't need this. orangecrush 23 hrs ago #57
Yes. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #108
I guess I'm not seeing the whole puncture orangecrush 22 hrs ago #63
I'm with you on that EarlG 17 hrs ago #110
Incremental change orangecrush 16 hrs ago #115
Thanks for the cogent thoughts for thought. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #104
"They'll behave if we treat them nice" ... Neville Chamberlain. usonian Yesterday #29
Just like Barney Fife ....no masks, no bullets! surfered Yesterday #30
Could he possibly sound any more milquetoast? How about "ICE as out of control and needs shutdown or massive overhaul." kysrsoze Yesterday #31
Call it what it is - yes. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #109
Talk about wishy washy lol n/t Cheezoholic Yesterday #32
At least the powder is still dry. flvegan Yesterday #35
Like talcum powder orangecrush 23 hrs ago #55
Just as important, get rid of all the military crap they wear. patphil Yesterday #36
Gather the bdamomma 23 hrs ago #45
Good start on a list. yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #111
Memo to Schumer: AverageOldGuy Yesterday #39
You need to write it more sternly. yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #112
DHS & ICE were created solely to sweep W's massive f*** up known as 9/11 under the rug. Crowman2009 23 hrs ago #41
Someone in DHS Jilly_in_VA 23 hrs ago #42
Exactly. mr715 23 hrs ago #46
+1 orangecrush 22 hrs ago #65
I'm with you, J in VA. yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #113
You can't "fix" the gestapo, Chuck orangecrush 23 hrs ago #51
You fix it by burning it down and salting the earth. mr715 22 hrs ago #72
Would abolishing ICE mean an end to all deportations? MichMan 23 hrs ago #53
No. We have had deportations since our country began. ICE is 20 years old. Scrivener7 23 hrs ago #58
Wasn't sure how it was done before ICE MichMan 22 hrs ago #64
Historically a lot of agencies have been invested with these powers mr715 22 hrs ago #71
I do, it was called the INS. Crowman2009 19 hrs ago #96
Democrats need common sense leadership mr715 23 hrs ago #59
I think we can SAY our position is reform, but I hope our leaders know we want that reform to Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #62
Someone with a pot conviction 30 years ago that is now working for the federal government should be fired? MichMan 22 hrs ago #67
As always, your response says a lot. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #68
You said " the firing of anyone with a criminal record" MichMan 22 hrs ago #69
Have a lovely day, dear. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #79
Yeah, reforms can cut to the bone. mr715 22 hrs ago #70
"need to be at the center of a conversation while saying absolutely nothing" yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #121
Effective OC375 22 hrs ago #66
No Chuck, we want you to pour salt on it. We WANT it destroyed. Volaris 21 hrs ago #74
Chuck Schumer is not the problem MorbidButterflyTat 21 hrs ago #75
I don't hate Schumer. Like the board on my deck that needs to be replaced because it no longer fits Autumn 21 hrs ago #85
This is exactly, exactly the way to approach this. mr715 20 hrs ago #91
"By whom?" Bernie Sanders responded to that same question when it was asked to him. W_HAMILTON 20 hrs ago #93
Senator Murphy seems to want the gig. mr715 20 hrs ago #94
Can you point me to where he has called on Schumer to step down and/or announced he was challenging him a leader? W_HAMILTON 11 hrs ago #135
You keep asking this. I'd concur that Murphy would be my choice, but there are a number who would do well. Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #97
Because I, like Sanders and most Democratic Senators, realize that changing leadership... W_HAMILTON 11 hrs ago #134
But, from your posts, you don't seem to think Scrivener7 4 hrs ago #136
Oh come now... mr715 20 min ago #141
"Abolish Schumer" anger-fests seem very addicting. Need that fix! betsuni 19 hrs ago #95
Maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene could replace Chuck! MorbidButterflyTat 17 hrs ago #114
Who here is supporting Greene? mr715 16 hrs ago #116
Can you link to any posts here that are supporting her? It seems like another of those Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #130
Don't wait for a link, you will be waiting forever. No one here supports MTG Autumn 1 hr ago #138
Is this your way of saying she should? Because I'm sure not one soul here is looking for that. Autumn 1 hr ago #137
I shall take your silence as a confession mr715 31 min ago #139
He is right on this. Just like those who thought defund the police was a winning issue, it isn't. lostincalifornia 21 hrs ago #81
The reality is that there will have to be some arm of the federal government that enforces immigration law. Jedi Guy 18 hrs ago #98
Here's the thing, though mr715 16 hrs ago #118
Chuck Schumer is not the leader required in this time. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #100
Jeezus, Chuck, wake up. It's an attempted coup Joinfortmill 18 hrs ago #102
Wrong answer, Chuck. travelingthrulife 15 hrs ago #124
I try so hard to support all Democrats MustLoveBeagles 15 hrs ago #125
He did not ask me. LoisB 14 hrs ago #128
Enough "common sense." Abolish DHS. DJ Synikus Makisimus 13 hrs ago #129
IF we win both or even just one chamber EnergizedLib 12 hrs ago #133
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You're really stupid aren't you? KS Toronado 18 min ago #142
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