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WSHazel

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96. That is a strawman

Reply to angrychair (Reply #95)

Mon Jun 30, 2025, 05:18 AM

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What you described is not capitalism.

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I'm a Democrat and not a socialist. n/t [View all] Jacson6 Jun 29 OP

Because Socialism can't be democratic or because socialism compels the same values Democrats generaly stand for? ... marble falls Jun 29 #1

As is often said..."keep it simple, stu_id." Just run as a Democrat, fight for policies that... brush Jun 29 #65

There's no difference. The Rs will label and have already labeled Democrats as KPN Jun 29 #80

President Truman said this in 1952 yellowdogintexas Jun 29 #83

Why make it easy for them by actually calling ourself a socialist? Not smart. brush Jun 30 #93

He didn't call himself a socialist. KPN Jun 30 #123

Amen. Let's stop worrying about what they will say Redleg Jun 30 #120

Me too. If I thought it could work, I'd go for all of us sharing wealth equally. LAS14 Jun 29 #68

Socialism is not about equaly sharing everything, it's about giving everyone a chance and taking care of ... marble falls Jun 29 #89

I know that. I'd go further. Like a religious order. nt LAS14 Jun 30 #114

If democratic socialism Emile Jun 29 #2

Exactly mvd Jun 29 #9

Hey, you! Heidi Jun 29 #30

Hey! mvd Jun 29 #50

Anytime there are government employees The Wizard Jun 29 #21

None of those things are socialist WSHazel Jun 29 #81

Capitalism is a failure angrychair Jun 30 #95

That is a strawman WSHazel Jun 30 #96

I would offer angrychair Jun 30 #97

That is not accurate WSHazel Jun 30 #111

With respect, I must disagree. OldBaldy1701E Jul 1 #125

Good thoughts WSHazel Jul 1 #126

"Art and culture were flourishing..." OldBaldy1701E Jul 1 #129

This is why I find The Nordic Countries so interesting... electric_blue68 Jun 30 #94

What's a socialist? n/t leftstreet Jun 29 #3

That's a very good question, isn't it? -misanthroptimist Jun 29 #5

Few if any people in the US are socialists. Lonestarblue Jun 29 #14

This just-barely-a-Boomer has moved on, too. Heidi Jun 29 #46

you are describing communism. n/t SonOfNebanaube Jun 29 #51

No. The mass nationalization of industries by the UK Atlee government speak easy Jun 29 #61

...free bus service ... ZDU Jun 29 #59

Bet I can turn you into a "socialist" in just one thread! -misanthroptimist Jun 29 #4

n/t Mike Nelson Jun 29 #6

I'm a Democratic Socialist, not a Democrat. Autumn Jun 29 #7

Im (gasp) both! SSJVegeta Jun 29 #11

Is this declaration partisan or ideological? SSJVegeta Jun 29 #8

Seems this declaration is mostly "Look at meeee!" Heidi Jun 29 #47

I just wanna win. In It to Win It Jun 29 #10

The "New Deal"and the "Better Deal" is Social Democracy. haele Jun 29 #12

Judging the reactions, FDR would get trashed here AStern Jun 29 #23

Criticism is good and frankly healthy. haele Jun 29 #38

Well you're wrong, emulatorloo Jun 29 #41

Then why the negativity toward Mamdani? AStern Jun 29 #73

Most gross negativity is from deranged MAGA, not Democrats or DU'ers. A lot of Democrats have congratulated him. emulatorloo Jun 29 #75

There are many here that are upset about it AStern Jun 29 #76

Thank you emulatorloo Jun 29 #82

I've seen more negativity here toward Mamdani... regnaD kciN Jun 29 #86

You must have a sprinkle of Socialism to keep Capitalism Emile Jun 29 #13

Yes, sounds a lot like FDR-type thinkin... smart!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 30 #101

That's nice, dear. Scrivener7 Jun 29 #15

Well, are you a vegetarian? David__77 Jun 29 #16

The longer I live the more I prefer Democratic Socialism. The corrupt Capitalistic walkingman Jun 29 #17

I remember back when MSNBC had numerous progressive anchors, gab13by13 Jun 29 #20

I don't give a fuck. demmiblue Jun 29 #18

labels are boring purple_haze Jun 29 #19

Well, I'm not a fucking Republican. hamsterjill Jun 29 #22

I believe in social democratic policies. Just never thought of making an OP stating that. N/t Nanjeanne Jun 29 #24

Me too, which is why I'm here Polybius Jun 29 #25

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 29 #34

You're conflating a political party (our Democratic Party) w/ a multi-flavoured economic/political philosophy(socialism) Celerity Jul 1 #127

I take it, then, you are against: Oneironaut Jun 29 #26

As you know, those are all mainstream Democratic positions. emulatorloo Jun 29 #40

And socialist targets as well. (nt) Heidi Jun 29 #43

Mainstream, AND socialist! Oneironaut Jun 29 #58

What would make you make those assumptions? Are those things copyrighted by the Socialist Party? Wonder Why Jun 29 #54

Those things are not socialism. Ocelot II Jun 29 #60

I think that's a fair point, actually. Oneironaut Jun 29 #70

Those things are all socialism. Emile Jun 30 #98

Good for you. Iggo Jun 29 #27

What's a Democrat? AStern Jun 29 #28

I'm a Socialist & a Democrat TacosUberAlles Jun 29 #29

I woke up with this question in my head. 1WorldHope Jun 29 #31

Read the room, hon. Heidi Jun 29 #32

I'm both. ananda Jun 29 #33

That's a strange flex. Jirel Jun 29 #35

Hahahahahaha! Heidi Jun 29 #44

I'm a Democrat and a Socialist. I know Democrats who are vegetarians. And Socialists who are carpenters. Ping Tung Jun 29 #36

Every representative government has elements of socialism in it. patphil Jun 29 #37

I'm a socialist who votes D bif Jun 29 #39

Hear, HEAR ZDU Jun 29 #55

We don't just need a Bigger economy, we need a Better economy thought crime Jun 29 #42

Have to be to post here Arazi Jun 29 #45

Same here LetMyPeopleVote Jun 29 #48

By the People, For the People Troth_Aint_Truth Jun 29 #49

Gosh. H2O Man Jun 29 #52

As Am I OC375 Jun 29 #53

So, if you had to choose between a Republican and a Democratic socialist, what would you do? 1WorldHope Jun 29 #57

"Democratic Socialist" is not a ballot-line party, so it's impossible to vote for a Democratic Socialist candidate. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 29 #85

Would you prefer a medal, or simply applause? niyad Jun 29 #56

We're all semi-socialist, every time we walk on a sidewalk or drive on a public road. Dan Jun 29 #62

I'm a social democrat and a Democratic Party member (and literally a Social Democratic Party member here in Sweden, plus Celerity Jun 29 #63

What's a Social Democrat??? SocialDemocrat61 Jun 30 #100

Social democracy, especially the Nordic Model like we have here in Sweden. Celerity Jun 30 #105

But do they throw good parties? SocialDemocrat61 Jun 30 #106

This is going to be one of the questions fujiyamasan Jun 29 #64

I'm a fellow traveler with the Democratic Party mike_c Jun 29 #66

As I recall, MLK Jr. was called a socialist too... B.See Jun 29 #67

MLK Jr was very much in the mode of Mamdani - democratic socialist. As far back as his Nanjeanne Jun 29 #74

I know this. The point I'm making is B.See Jun 29 #92

European Democratic Socialists are not Marxists... AntiFascist Jun 29 #69

If you like having a fire department, snot Jun 29 #71

Congrats? choie Jun 29 #72

I'm a.member to a rural electric co-op. Yes it's socialism. Emile Jun 29 #77

I'm a Democrat and a Socialist. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 29 #78

Ditto jcmaine72 Jun 29 #91

You are a lot more socialist than you realize. bob4460 Jun 29 #79

What Life Means to Me Cirsium Jun 29 #84

Refuse to accept Social Security! H2O Man Jun 29 #87

We really about to do it vanessa_ca Jun 29 #88

I'm a Democrat AZProgressive Jun 29 #90

I vote for the Democratic nominees Torchlight Jun 30 #99

Let's see if that applies to everyone else by their voting for Mamdani for mayor as the duly elected Democratic nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 30 #102

I figure there may be a few stirring the pot, but for the most part, Torchlight Jun 30 #103

Thank you for this self-congratulatory thread. Heidi Jun 30 #104

You're against Social Security? baddie Jun 30 #107

It is not socialism. SS & Medicare are insurance programs that workers and employers pay into. Jacson6 Jun 30 #108

Sorry! baddie Jun 30 #110

We here in the Nordics (I live in Sweden) are NOT democratic socialist nation states. Celerity Jul 2 #133

You seem to think that your dictionary... Chemical Bill Jul 1 #124

Merriam Webster Dictionary: Socialism Jacson6 Jul 1 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Chemical Bill Jul 1 #131

I apologize. Chemical Bill Jul 2 #134

Social Security is socialism. Thanks for pointing Emile Jun 30 #109

I paid into those programs for my entire working life mcar Jun 30 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Jun 30 #121

That's how democratic socialism works. Emile Jun 30 #122

I'm a Democrat and a Socialist, and proud of being both obamanut2012 Jun 30 #112

I care more about policies than I do about labels n/t markpkessinger Jun 30 #113

Get over the scare word. If you say you are a democrat you will be called a socialist. Blue Full Moon Jun 30 #115

I am a Democrat and a Socialist nt JanMichael Jun 30 #116

"I'm a Democrat and not a socialist." LudwigPastorius Jun 30 #117

hmmm markie Jun 30 #118

Bless you, DU. The tools you offer me to enhance my experience are appreciated. (nt) Duncan Grant Jul 1 #130

I took a test that said GoodRaisin Jul 1 #132