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91. We lost because it was a corrupt election.

Reply to Arazi (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 25, 2025, 07:21 PM

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Joy Reid Says She's 'Barely Hanging On' With Party Too Scared To Embrace 'Effective Fighter' Progressives " [View all] moonshinegnomie Jun 25 OP

I don't think we need to "fight dirty," but we need to fight. Gore1FL Jun 25 #1

I agree PatSeg Jun 25 #5

How'd When they go low, we go high work out? Gimpyknee Jun 25 #93

It didn't. Iggo Jun 25 #97

You can fight without being PatSeg Jun 25 #98

Understand and agree with the concept.. RhapsodyFav Jun 25 #99

Four years of Joseph Robinette Biden? cadoman Jun 26 #109

Think of a fighting match where fighters have permission to hit below the belt but only one fighter ImNotGod Jun 25 #29

I like your fighter analogy. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 25 #44

It can turn off people from politics all together if both fight dirty. I don't know how long I'd want to watch that. chowder66 Jun 25 #56

Sorry, but too many aren't "crossing over" MyOwnPeace Jun 25 #79

We can "fight dirty" with FACTS instead of lies.... (and it isn't really dirty but the facts are)--- For instance--- Jack Valentino Jun 25 #100

+1,000,000!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #59

If you wanna fight great, if you aren't gonna fight, go down the road and pound sand. Magoo48 Jun 25 #48

1000%!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #57

Maybe... be we need to fight SMARTER dwayneb Jun 25 #81

10000% I dont think Jasmine nor AOC are any where near 'dirty' but they are CORRECT!!! TalenaGor Jun 25 #95

The NYC mayoral primary results Jilly_in_VA Jun 25 #2

We need to fight dirty. Akakoji Jun 25 #39

Been sayin that for years... if there was ever a time to fight these fuckin' fascists it's NOWWW!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #58

We need bdamomma Jun 25 #102

YESSSSS, you're 100% right... our representatives either fight the fascists or get the hell out of the damn way!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 25 #106

Okay. Well... bye! Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #3

or maybe she thinks the democrats need to change moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #6

You and Oopsie Daisy both make great points, Qutzupalotl Jun 25 #8

David Hogg was not "forced out". That's a lie. He chose not to run again (probably knowing he'd lose) Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #9

David Hogg *tried* to stay within the ultimate Dem establishment Arazi Jun 25 #10

And yet the old guard resists moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #14

The thing I see is that once a person gets to be a certain wealth level, even if it was from winning a lottery and LiberalArkie Jun 25 #24

Not my Senator cilla4progress Jun 25 #28

Brilliant Akakoji Jun 25 #43

If you were a congress person or an aide to one or a secretary in the office and you heard that the LiberalArkie Jun 25 #54

The "Perks," Maybe, But It's Been a Woefully Long Time Since They Effectively Utilized Their "Power" The Roux Comes First Jun 25 #31

Tear the Fascists Down Jilly_in_VA Jun 25 #84

I got spanked today for saying pretty much the same thing... GiqueCee Jun 25 #86

No he didn't. Hogg attacks Democrats rather than Republicans. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #17

"Growing and strengthening" the party (your own words) Arazi Jun 25 #21

Boo hoo... poor Joy Reid. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #23

Imagine caring what Joy Reid or any other bloviating cable news personality says about anything. BannonsLiver Jun 25 #25

Joy Reid is just today's human stand-in for any lifelong progressive Dem tbh Arazi Jun 25 #34

Cool story. Isn't she a homophobe? BannonsLiver Jun 25 #38

I'm not deifying her Arazi Jun 25 #51

MSNBC lost a lot of credibility when they let her get away with that phony hacking claim Midwestern Democrat Jun 26 #107

That's how you end up with a decades-long political career without any notable progressive accomplishments to your name. W_HAMILTON Jun 25 #60

What the fuck is the point -- this is what's fascinating, it doesn't make sense. betsuni Jun 25 #74

Teachers Union head quit her position with the Democratic Party on June 15th. Lee Saunders Deuxcents Jun 25 #101

Ominous signs 😞 Arazi Jun 25 #103

Not good..at all. Deuxcents Jun 25 #104

The last election showed us that Mblaze Jun 25 #19

No, it showed that when people encourage their constituents to NOT support the Democrats * Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #20

I actually had Mblaze Jun 25 #26

It sounds like the moderate Dem belief they are entitled to power gave way to Trump ck4829 Jun 25 #30

Exactly moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #32

I'm inundated Mblaze Jun 25 #40

Love your point about 80 yr old fossils kkmarie Jun 26 #116

As far as I'm concerned Mblaze Jun 25 #36

You realize that it's not just Hogg angrychair Jun 25 #33

Quitters never win. They have made themselves irrelevant and voiceless. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #35

They are not voiceless angrychair Jun 25 #42

If these people want to abandon the Democratic party then they are responsible for their own fates. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #47

Maybe it's the democrats who abandoned them. at least the old guard moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #53

No. The ones who shouted "Genocide Joe" and who listened to their rep and voted for Uncommitted... Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #61

All due respect angrychair Jun 25 #55

If they don't want to support the party then it's idiotic for anyone to expect the party to support them in return. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #62

Trying hard to remain polite angrychair Jun 25 #70

I'm done with you. We've reached an impasse and now I'm being called a troll. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #76

That isn't what I said angrychair Jun 25 #77

Actually, you did. sheshe2 Jun 25 #105

Not my intention angrychair Jun 26 #111

so working hard means DonCoquixote Jun 25 #46

I don't know how I can be any clearer: Quitters never win. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #50

"Best interests of the party" is exactly the debate Arazi Jun 25 #52

The notion that sabotaging the party will help the party is insane. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #65

we lost because we ran an 80yr old who did nothing to excit ethe young moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #66

Shitting on the party and abandoning the party is not the way to make the party better. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #67

You know we're not talking about the Genocide Joe voters right? Arazi Jun 25 #68

She can't be trusted... just like the rest of the saboteurs. Fuck her. Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #75

We lost because it was a corrupt election. 58Sunliner Jun 25 #91

there is support, and then enabling DonCoquixote Jun 25 #85

Keep that shit to yourself, please. It makes ZERO sense to demand that the Democrats concede to the GOP... Oopsie Daisy Jun 25 #88

" they lost all 3 branches of government " sheshe2 Jun 25 #78

maybe the reason for that is shitty candidates moonshinegnomie Jun 25 #80

Your words: sheshe2 Jun 25 #82

Excuse me? Hillary was one of the Smartest, Experienced, and Caring Candidates we ever ran. Geeeebz! Bernie's older,.. electric_blue68 Jun 25 #96

Good luck trying to get away with that excuse in the business world - "It's not our fault - it's the Goddamn customers!" Midwestern Democrat Jun 26 #114

Now you are just grasping at straws. sheshe2 Jun 26 #115

I don't see it as dirty fighting Bettie Jun 25 #4

Precisely. "friends" across the aisle indeed... B.See Jun 25 #18

an effective fighter, is not 'dirty' stillcool Jun 25 #7

She is not alone. ananda Jun 25 #11

First our team needs to find a truck load of gumption. Vow to play has a team. Hotler Jun 25 #12

I can't blame Joy for her observations. Kid Berwyn Jun 25 #13

We, all non-repugs, need to focus against them only Nigrum Cattus Jun 25 #15

I'm 100% onboard with Joy JustAnotherGen Jun 25 #16

Joy Reid is spot on and I fully agree with her. Quiet Em Jun 25 #22

Leaving the party sends a terrible message and is extremely counter-productive since there are so many good people in . LymphocyteLover Jun 25 #27

This is not Scubamatt Jun 25 #37

And we need to be speaking out much much more about Fox. ificandream Jun 25 #41

I get 4 or 5 texts every day to donate money, gab13by13 Jun 25 #45

change is hard et tu Jun 25 #49

We have other fighters who weren't "hacked" Sympthsical Jun 25 #63

Real fighters also don't pout and threaten to take their ball and go home like Joy Reid has done. BannonsLiver Jun 25 #69

A lot of self-described fighters have "L'etat c'est moi" energy. Sympthsical Jun 25 #72

+1 leftstreet Jun 25 #71

Totally agree. This is a goddamn war. Fight or get out of the way. Joinfortmill Jun 25 #64

Joy Reid is in the business of Joy Reid. TheProle Jun 25 #73

Last time I checked, there are two political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans Mr. Ected Jun 25 #83

It's not the fighter.... The Grand Illuminist Jun 25 #87

We need to WIN. That is ALL that matters. I am a feminist who hopes to God a woman wins the White House LaMouffette Jun 25 #89

People that are "leaving" Littlered Jun 25 #90

its the young people that are leaving moonshinegnomie Jun 26 #113

We're being steamrolled. May not have much left soon, and it's only been 5 months. Evolve Dammit Jun 25 #92

Yes gixxerlee Jun 25 #94

This post is discouraging, to say the least. murielm99 Jun 26 #108

It's sort of becoming clearer why MSNBC fired her. Nixie Jun 26 #110

But it's politics, not some sort of group therapy. betsuni Jun 26 #112

Joy Reid is still playing fantasy politics bigtree Jun 26 #117