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spike jones

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14. My post from last year.

Wed Jun 18, 2025, 06:12 PM

Jun 18

November 12, 2024. One thing that could change votes over most of the nation are the voting machines. Many states use machines by the company ES&S. Just a few lines of code could change a percentage of D vote to a R vote, even a woman D vote to a R vote. The machines do not have to be connected to a network if the program in each machine is affected.

This was an issue in the 2000 election, and when the manufacturing company was asked to see how the votes were counted, the company said that it was proprietary information. That company was Diebold, which is now named ES&S. Only a few people at the company would even have to know about it.
And yes, if ES&S and others are not investigated this could be the very reason Trump said “we’re going to fix it so good” the MAGA would not have to ever vote again.
A simple recount is not enough.

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She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election. [View all] Botany Jun 18 OP

Kick musette_sf Jun 18 #1

Yup they did. SheltieLover Jun 18 #2

Not good. No sense in having another presidential election since they've figured out... brush Jun 18 #29

They've been stealing and cheating since they lost of the Civil War. Clouds Passing Jun 19 #116

I think it boils down DENVERPOPS Jun 19 #149

No!! It's time to fight like hell for fair, UNCHEATABLE, elections. We can do this! BComplex Jun 19 #123

It feels like the truth is on the way.... FarPoint Jun 18 #37

"The election never passed my smell test."..When the aged tfg said at one of his rally's "no need to vote.... mitch96 Jun 18 #58

And Eloon pondering on air how long of a prison sentence he'd get if T💩p didn't win the election. OMGWTF Jun 19 #119

This makes so much sense to me. ananda Jun 18 #3

Post removed Post removed Jun 18 #4

Rude FirstLight Jun 18 #5

Sometimes the truth hurts. These ridiculous conspiracy theories are no different from the garbage pushed by MAGA tritsofme Jun 18 #6

No not really... FirstLight Jun 18 #13

That may be true, but it doesn't make these delusional conspiracy theories any more accurate. tritsofme Jun 18 #18

Gee, too bad you don't like this discussion. Kingofalldems Jun 18 #21

I actually kind of enjoy these threads. tritsofme Jun 18 #23

You're being insulting. returnee Jun 19 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jun 18 #46

And what is your source that this story is garbage? dchill Jun 18 #38

Did you read the article and attachments or just pass judgment on it? waterwatcher123 Jun 18 #53

Just as an aside....Space X has a collaborative contract with T-mobile Melon Jun 20 #163

Some of the anomalies have been pointed out by a group of statistics professors. pnwmom Jun 19 #137

Newsweek is reporting serious problems, not "ridiculous conspiracy theories." pnwmom Jun 19 #159

Wow I hadn't heard that TacosUberAlles Jun 19 #161

Thank you. And welcome to DU! nt pnwmom Jun 20 #162

Well thank you TacosUberAlles Jun 20 #167

If there's evidence, nobody has presented it EdmondDantes_ Jun 18 #15

Why should American citizens need any "evidence " to count the votes in an open transparent manner? questionseverything Jun 18 #32

They were counted in an open and transparent manner EdmondDantes_ Jun 18 #49

By open... Chemical Bill Jun 18 #75

I mean the exact same way in 2020, 2016, 2012, 2008 EdmondDantes_ Jun 18 #84

The article the op is discussing tells us many machines were certified w/o inspections even though "patches " were added questionseverything Jun 18 #86

The certifying agencies have access to the software Abnredleg Jun 19 #129

I'm happy for you that you are so trusting. n/t Chemical Bill Jun 19 #148

And in 2020 repubs challenged Georgia's results and a hand count was done questionseverything Jun 18 #88

Agreed WOLFMAN87 Jun 18 #45

A recount would provide the only evidence. Chemical Bill Jun 18 #76

A machine recount proves nothing. MuirHero Jun 18 #90

Plus... Chemical Bill Jun 19 #103

Almost all states did hand counts during their post-election audits Abnredleg Jun 19 #132

Sure, here and there. Chemical Bill Jun 19 #146

No - Risk Reduction Audits are very thorough Abnredleg Jun 19 #151

The month before the election DENVERPOPS Jun 18 #7

The legit media isn't going to run after these theories like RWers do. ificandream Jun 18 #8

Well, we've already heard from Marc Elias, the foremost authority on Republican election shenanigans tritsofme Jun 18 #12

I trust Marc. BUT bluestarone Jun 18 #30

I have never disagreed with him before... returnee Jun 19 #156

Those "experts" like Marc Elias do not understand computer voting annielion Jun 19 #118

Two highly respected journalist already have DENVERPOPS Jun 18 #25

Yep, titled. Trump Lost. Vote Suppression Won. DiamondShark Jun 18 #70

Not sure, DENVERPOPS Jun 18 #78

Here try this one DENVERPOPS Jun 18 #80

Joesph Stalin Botany Jun 19 #120

They way that Trump is already DENVERPOPS Jun 19 #144

What we really need is another Mark Felt. ShazzieB Jun 18 #27

When this current admin falls apart (which is happening), we'll have some whistleblowers coming forward! liberalla Jun 18 #74

I believe you are right! ShazzieB Jun 19 #127

Does Newsweek count? Chemical Bill Jun 18 #77

And according to the article Leonard Leo's sale of Tripp Lite to Eaton put Theil (and Musk ?) into .. Botany Jun 18 #9

He said that knowing that the theft is untraceable. live love laugh Jun 18 #47

The theft would be uncovered by a hand recount of the ballots. MuirHero Jun 18 #93

I figured they lost a bunch of democratic mail in votes Tribetime Jun 18 #10

I haven't wanted to go here because mountain grammy Jun 18 #11

VP Harris own internal polling never had her winning bottomofthehill Jun 19 #101

My post from last year. spike jones Jun 18 #14

I've programmed ES&S machines. DiamondShark Jun 18 #67

I hear that mountain grammy Jun 18 #82

Also Diebold IP was sold to Dominion after ES&S was accused of being a monopoly. DiamondShark Jun 18 #68

Glad to see this getting more traction. Everyone needs to read it. Karasu Jun 18 #16

Why didn't they fight then? Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #17

Exactly. There are really only two options here, that either Harris and her billion dollar campaign were just too stupid tritsofme Jun 18 #22

Hey, the Dems literally rolled over DENVERPOPS Jun 18 #26

Dems always roll over when there is suspected election fraud ERW Jun 18 #55

If this is the case then we need better quality Dems. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #63

Some of us on this forum were jumping up and down after the election, yellow dahlia Jun 18 #64

I always just assumed that their own internal polling Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #66

I believe the Ann Selzer poll was correct. yellow dahlia Jun 19 #153

The hand counts occurred during the audits Abnredleg Jun 19 #133

they may have realized, DENVERPOPS Jun 19 #147

not a comment on the legitimacy of the election but Skittles Jun 18 #83

I think I speak for many here. BidenRocks Jun 18 #19

Watch out-----here they come! Kingofalldems Jun 18 #20

Yes, and let us hope that karma is coming for them all. Joinfortmill Jun 18 #24

There's your fraud Evolve Dammit Jun 18 #28

Election rso Jun 18 #31

The vote counting companies say the working mechanisms are proprietary questionseverything Jun 18 #36

Elections rso Jun 18 #69

The 3 letter agencies are disappearing people, even citizens so questionseverything Jun 18 #85

Elections rso Jun 18 #87

Are these agencies full of super humans that can look into a puter and read it's software? questionseverything Jun 18 #89

Elections rso Jun 19 #115

In a democracy, the people have the right to oversee the counting of our votes questionseverything Jun 19 #125

Elections rso Jun 19 #131

Actually this sub thread started with you claiming I should trust the alphabet agencies questionseverything Jun 19 #145

Elections rso Jun 19 #160

Precinct by precinct is best questionseverything Jun 23 #168

The certifying agencies have access to the source code Abnredleg Jun 19 #128

That's not what the voting companies or any us agency says questionseverything Jun 19 #134

The Voting System Test Laboratory does a code review Abnredleg Jun 19 #138

... questionseverything Jun 19 #142

I did read it Abnredleg Jun 19 #150

Eavesdropping on comms WITHIN the US is generally illegal, without a specific warrant. eppur_se_muova Jun 19 #96

Democrats play checkers, Republicans play chess DSandra Jun 18 #33

Republicans don't play chess. dchill Jun 18 #41

Still, we have to stop just being on defense because defense alone is bound to fail DSandra Jun 18 #44

Dems had the option to challenge the ballots before the election was certified. Party leaders refused DSandra Jun 18 #52

Democrats play Chinese checkers. Republicans play Hungry, Hungry Hippos. meadowlander Jun 18 #81

I never doubted it-- something was off-- WAY off ailsagirl Jun 18 #34

And still is. dchill Jun 18 #42

Does anyone know if... ailsagirl Jun 18 #61

From what I've researched from the past two weeks, the numbers are way-too-strange. chouchou Jun 18 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Jacson6 Jun 18 #39

I have no idea, but hamsterjill Jun 18 #40

Been said before and worth EVERYONE saying again - Lokee11 Jun 19 #112

Sorry but Abstractartist Jun 18 #43

That's the thing, most places have paper ballots but it takes a court order to hand count them questionseverything Jun 18 #91

Yes Abstractartist Jun 19 #109

But those same states do audits Abnredleg Jun 19 #135

You are saying things that aren't true questionseverything Jun 19 #136

We're talking a handful of precincts in NY Abnredleg Jun 19 #139

If the machine can be wrong in on precinct it can be wrong in any precinct questionseverything Jun 19 #143

The audit process is public Abnredleg Jun 19 #152

My question is, if it's true, what can be realistically done? Buddyzbuddy Jun 18 #48

That's the bottom line. Xavier Breath Jun 18 #56

More to the point... regnaD kciN Jun 18 #59

We're always 1 step behind. Buddyzbuddy Jun 19 #99

Yes. Do we understand it enough to stop it in 2026? GoodRaisin Jun 19 #141

IMHO, we as, Democrats need to plan for the worst case scenario. Buddyzbuddy Jun 19 #157

This DIGITAL AMBUSH OF ELECTIONS will continue until it's stopped by high turnout in all battlegrounds. ancianita Jun 18 #50

Cheaters gonna cheat, we've got an unelected rodent for president...I've said this since the "election"... wcmagumba Jun 18 #51

We wuz robbed again? czarjak Jun 18 #54

I believe Greg Palast has the answer - MaineNative Jun 18 #57

Time for a Rachel special on this or CNN or PBS Jit423 Jun 18 #60

Let me hop in a time machine... DiamondShark Jun 18 #71

So stolen! And, guess who owns Eaton- Quakerfriend Jun 18 #62

We need to keep talking about all the evidence and data that have been revealed in recent months. yellow dahlia Jun 18 #65

I woke up one night after the election and thought the same thing is they manipulated the tabulation kimbutgar Jun 18 #72

I'm saying bluestarone Jun 18 #73

Here is what I'll say to those who are saying this is just simple nuttery Picaro Jun 18 #79

THIS. It's utterly ridiculous to see people here comparing this to RW conspiracy theories. The RW are people who have a Karasu Jun 18 #92

Network security protocols for election equipment are pretty rigorous Abnredleg Jun 19 #154

So that's why he's doing such a shitty job? kentuck Jun 18 #94

The 2000 election was stolen. PufPuf23 Jun 19 #95

There was an interesting article B.See Jun 19 #97

Rove openly stated that they can and would cheat IbogaProject Jun 19 #98

And now there's AI . that'll be manipulated in their favor somehow. IcyPeas Jun 19 #100

That may very well be but there isn't anything to be done about it. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 19 #102

At the very least we need to know if our election process is safe neohippie Jun 19 #110

Well, I'm glad someone is looking into it. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 19 #111

Maybe we can make the next election count transparent? questionseverything Jun 19 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 19 #104

What information do you lack? marble falls Jun 19 #124

WTF did people sat back in 2000 HarryM Jun 19 #105

when people say they voted for someone and the count shows 0 then somethings not right samnsara Jun 19 #106

Interestingly, I have seem nearly exactly the same arguments made about the 2020 election hueymahl Jun 19 #107

Russian tail Kali999 Jun 19 #108

K&R spanone Jun 19 #113

Part 2 ...... they had the courts too. Just as important as part 1. Please give it some love. Botany Jun 19 #114

The statisticians have the evidence of massive vote manipulation annielion Jun 19 #117

Palantir is a truly fucking evil corporation. Peter Theil needs to be hauled off to Supermax now. Initech Jun 19 #121

Thank you, Botany!! This is something that so many have ignored for so long. 2024 was so obviously rigged/stolen. BComplex Jun 19 #122

The truth matters. Six117 Jun 19 #126

truth always matters B.See Jun 20 #164

The people who rail that this is just a conspiracy theory are really not looking at the obvious. hadEnuf Jun 19 #140

They were busted red handed in 2020. Kid Berwyn Jun 19 #158

Is the DTC thing real? If so wow. JanMichael Jun 20 #165

It wasn't with the voting machine but the central tabulators which if you believe this sub stack piece had ... Botany Jun 20 #166