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AloeVera

(4,267 posts)
24. Please consider.
Fri May 3, 2024, 10:19 AM
May 2024

All respect to you for your efforts with the Rwanda genocide. You are a person of conscience and paid a terrible price. I am sorry for that.

I wonder two things though.

Is it possible your witnessing of Rwanda at a closer hand than most of us has convinced you a genocide must mirror the scale and horror of Rwanda to be considered such? Genocide take various forms and is not a numbers or percentages game. About 5% of Gaza's population has been killed or maimed. Now we find out the Ministry of Health in Gaza has lost track of the dead due to destruction of the medical and other infrastructure. There are dead lying in the streets, unmarked graves, under rubble. Tens of thousands. No one knows the exact number. Back in November the number of missing and presumed u der rubble was 7,000. Also consider the impact of trauma, loss of education, impact of severe malnutrition and emaciation on young children and their development. The future generation has been damaged, lessened. Is that also not a "destruction of a people"? Then look at the creation of famine risking mass deaths, the desteuction of conditions necessary to life and the resulting disease, epidemics, suffering. It's mind-boggling to me, the genocide-denial.

The second thing to consider is are you looking at this in the context of the 75+ year I/P issue? The killing and ethnic cleansing has been going on a long time. I see the current killing and future likely "transfer" of Palestinians outside Gaza in a continuum with a very bad end.

Also it's not religion, it's ethnicity. Palestinians have a plausible right to be protected from genocide per the ICJ based on their ethnicity as Arabs, not Muslims. As you point out there are Christians too. From this angle, "they are being killed for what they are". An ethnic people in the way of the creation of Greater Israel. October 7th is being used as a pretext to accomplish long-sought goals. I see that as genocide.

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PBS Reports on Rising Antisemistism - April 2023 JustAnotherGen May 2024 #1
Okay atreides1 May 2024 #3
Agree JustAnotherGen May 2024 #4
Thank you. Goddessartist May 2024 #2
Ask him how he feels JustAnotherGen May 2024 #5
First Goddessartist May 2024 #7
I was actually working for a Congress Woman JustAnotherGen May 2024 #9
Well, Goddessartist May 2024 #14
Please consider. AloeVera May 2024 #24
Full, original meaning of genocide. Very interesting. AloeVera May 2024 #47
Exactly. Lonestarblue May 2024 #101
Why aren't we talking about Sudan? shrike3 May 2024 #45
Because it's not trendy and the TV cameras wouldn't be there BannonsLiver May 2024 #48
Go start an OP obamanut2012 May 2024 #71
Take it up with the poster who dismissed Sudan shrike3 May 2024 #75
This is not the Oppression Olympics obamanut2012 May 2024 #70
There is no doubt that some of these protestors are antisemitic. Demsrule86 May 2024 #12
The Protests Should Continue... Nutty Putty May 2024 #13
Biden is not president of Israel. he cannot unilaterally stop the war. shrike3 May 2024 #37
Those bombs, mortar rounds, essential parts etc AloeVera May 2024 #41
What makes you think Bibi will stop if we withdraw aid? shrike3 May 2024 #43
The U.S. has now fully funded this war. AloeVera May 2024 #78
I have found nothing that supports your figures. shrike3 May 2024 #84
See Post # 83. AloeVera May 2024 #88
That article states what it is costing Israel. shrike3 May 2024 #91
But further... AloeVera May 2024 #82
So much for the one phone call idea shrike3 May 2024 #86
Bolsters my argument that Israel couldn't continue the war, at least at the same scale. AloeVera May 2024 #92
No, it doesn't bolster your argument shrike3 May 2024 #94
Theoretically, yes. But the U.S. has power and Israel is militarily dependent. AloeVera May 2024 #96
"Israel is a strong country militarily, has its own military industry, has a very well-trained military" shrike3 May 2024 #100
No one denies Israel has a strong military AloeVera May 2024 #102
Dead is dead. shrike3 May 2024 #103
Wow. AloeVera May 2024 #106
You were the one who said a smaller war would be better. Less people killed, and all. shrike3 May 2024 #107
I like my debates honest. AloeVera May 2024 #108
I'm crushed. shrike3 May 2024 #109
And if Israel continues on without us, would Biden still be blamed? shrike3 May 2024 #55
I'm sure you know the answer to that. n/t AloeVera May 2024 #79
I believe I do. Yes, he would be blamed. Because he didn't wave a magic wand. shrike3 May 2024 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #50
Eighty-five percent of Israel's budget does not come from the U.S. shrike3 May 2024 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #62
Yup, they have an NHS because of our aid obamanut2012 May 2024 #73
And if every ounce of aid is withdrawn and the war continues, who will you blame then? shrike3 May 2024 #76
We can and we should. All Western nations. AloeVera May 2024 #83
Short of waving a magic wand, what do you suggest? shrike3 May 2024 #85
What do you mean? AloeVera May 2024 #89
What do you suggest if Israel goes on without us? shrike3 May 2024 #90
Not pretending anything. AloeVera May 2024 #93
If anybody out there has a magic wand, I suggest they send it to the White House forthwith. shrike3 May 2024 #95
It's not a magic wand. The U.S. has the stick. AloeVera May 2024 #97
If Bibi continues without U.S. Aid, who will you blame then? shrike3 May 2024 #99
Great. Then Israel can carry on without our aid. Voltaire2 May 2024 #51
I'd be fine with that. But no complaining if and when the conflict continues. shrike3 May 2024 #53
I'll continue to oppose their genocidal operations. Voltaire2 May 2024 #56
Cool. Just don't blame Biden. shrike3 May 2024 #57
Sure. When we stopping providing support. Voltaire2 May 2024 #59
Cool. shrike3 May 2024 #60
I don't agree. The protests help both Hamas and Netanyahu. They do no good. This Demsrule86 May 2024 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #52
Whatever. shrike3 May 2024 #61
Israel tried to give back Gaza and the West Bank decades ago NickB79 May 2024 #105
Post removed Post removed May 2024 #16
So you're calling me, my almost 98 year old Jewish mother in law, Goddessartist May 2024 #17
I am prevented by the DU terms of use from answering your accusation directly. Beastly Boy May 2024 #19
You sound like Goddessartist May 2024 #27
Can you back up your accuation with anything tangible, or is it only Beastly Boy May 2024 #28
By DU's rules you couldn't answer honestly. Goddessartist May 2024 #30
The accusations are all yours. Beastly Boy May 2024 #36
No he doesn't... persoaally attacking him with the Netanyahu Cha May 2024 #77
Add Bernie Sanders to the list of those whose response would be defined Scrivener7 May 2024 #58
Absurd Goddessartist May 2024 #65
If "some on DU" include yours truly, Beastly Boy May 2024 #67
Deluded Thinking... Nutty Putty May 2024 #18
Then start dealing with the facts and the truth. Beastly Boy May 2024 #20
Educate yourself Nutty Putty May 2024 #31
I m sufficiently educated on the subject to question your understanding of it. Beastly Boy May 2024 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #63
I am not supporting genocide, and I am not at all certain you understand the meaning of the word. Beastly Boy May 2024 #66
I'm tired of your gaslighting! TheCynic56 May 2024 #29
Then by all means, don't comment on my posts! Beastly Boy May 2024 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2024 #39
Don't be silly! Beastly Boy May 2024 #49
Yes they do but it's not Beastly Boy who's "mean". Cha May 2024 #68
Beastly Boy Doesn't "gaslight". Cha May 2024 #72
Rec'd 1000+ Mossfern May 2024 #64
"My hubby is Jewish..." Jedi Guy May 2024 #110
This line is truly relevant here Doc Sportello May 2024 #6
Oh c'mon everyone knows the source LuvLoogie May 2024 #8
Good article. Jirel May 2024 #10
Some behavior towards Jewish students by those protesting GAZA is clearly antisemitic. Demsrule86 May 2024 #25
Interestingly, this theory illustrates the nature of antisemitism in its current iteration. Beastly Boy May 2024 #11
Agree totally FakeNoose May 2024 #22
I would say that most protests occur in major media markets. Beastly Boy May 2024 #23
Agreed, and it's further proof that the students themselves aren't initiating the trouble FakeNoose May 2024 #26
The desire to minimize racism is interesting Sympthsical May 2024 #15
I think we have an emerging horseshoe crowd On the forum. BannonsLiver May 2024 #46
So predictable. Retro news is now fashionable. jaxexpat May 2024 #21
Good post Prairie Gates May 2024 #32
Of interest: Gloves off: The International Criminal Court prosecutor issues Passages May 2024 #33
Thanks for posting. The ICC should be free to prosecute war crimes against any perpetrators. Ping Tung May 2024 #42
DURec leftstreet May 2024 #34
I feel that people don't really understand or accept how bad anti-semitism is ismnotwasm May 2024 #40
There are unfortunately people, more common than one would hope Sympthsical May 2024 #74
Yes, that is my general impression ismnotwasm May 2024 #80
Thanks for posting the Hate Glossary. I actually read through it and DemocraticPatriot May 2024 #81
Exactly what are you trying to say? ismnotwasm May 2024 #104
I am saying that it is NOT antisemitic to believe that those who support DemocraticPatriot May 2024 #111
Thanks for posting - well said obamanut2012 May 2024 #69
Jewish Community Leaders Say Cal Poly Humboldt Protests are not Anti-Semitic. PufPuf23 May 2024 #98
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