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Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 02:00 AM Mar 17

🚨BREAKING: Trump DECLARES All Biden PARDONS VOID by Post - Meidas Touch



MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump making a post at midnight declaring he has voided all of President Biden’s pardons. - 03/17/2025.
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🚨BREAKING: Trump DECLARES All Biden PARDONS VOID by Post - Meidas Touch (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 OP
Ok, when do things stop being true just because Trump says them MadameButterfly Mar 17 #1
He thinks he can pardon the guilty, but he can invalidate the previous president's valid pardons?? Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #2
He is insane, demented, mentally ill, and just plain nonsensical MadameButterfly Mar 17 #3
You're right. The Founding Fathers envisioned only the patriotic would be elected to lead this country Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #4
He is out of his damned mind. ShazzieB Mar 17 #30
I have no doubt you're right, yet he keeps getting worse and more insane - and he refuses to listen to judges who rule Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #31
He never believed in the law in the first place. 💚 littlemissmartypants Mar 17 #42
You're certainly right! How many crimes did he commit before, during and after his first term?! Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #44
IKR! I keep... littlemissmartypants Mar 17 #46
What do we do with an official elected to serve the people, but uses his office to commit retribution instead?? Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #48
The Doofus-in-Chief would need to have had a mind in order to be out of his mind... BTW, he makes Hitler seem sane!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 17 #34
Many people have told me they want the CIA or Mafia BigmanPigman Mar 17 #24
I hope it would end with him MadameButterfly Mar 17 #29
This guy reminds me of when my son was four Hope22 Mar 17 #5
Yikes! Valid comparison, but your son at 4 was smarter and quicker than this convicted criminal is at nearly 80 Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #6
Somehow he still has a stranglehold on people of power inside the US. Hope22 Mar 17 #11
I certainly agree. Apparently nothing that American citizens do has any impact on TFG, even former supporters are turning Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #13
Seriously? Sugarcoated Mar 17 #7
*Fingers Crossed* Considering the criminals he's pardoned, this action is clearly way over the line... Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #9
I hope you're right. calimary Mar 17 #12
I keep wondering what history will make of this unprecedented and insane criminal leadership Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #17
Insane and demented pfitz59 Mar 17 #8
Overnight he's destroyed this country's status in the world and he's become an international pariah Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #10
If and when he makes outrageous statements I begin Buddyzbuddy Mar 17 #14
Excellent point. That's what he does, his insanity has served as a distraction from his illegal behind-the-scenes actions Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #15
Thank you, Rhiannon Buddyzbuddy Mar 17 #21
You're more than welcome, my friend. That appears to be one of the criminal skills he possesses Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #28
Exactly! He's not booksmart but he has a natural criminal aptitude. Buddyzbuddy Mar 17 #36
Yup! He was so incorrigible at home that his parents sent him away to military school Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #38
Military school. I don't have time for you, I don't like you, go away. Buddyzbuddy Mar 17 #39
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 17 #35
VACANT? DC77 Mar 17 #16
Besides being a criminal, he's obviously a moran - another recent example are his complaints about "transgender mice" Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #20
The worst part about this... millions of Americans will support this. progressoid Mar 17 #18
25th amendment time Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 17 #19
I just saw this on YouTube as I BigmanPigman Mar 17 #22
Sorry about that, but DUers deserve to be informed. And I sure feel the same way and I never know when it'll hit me Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #23
Unpardoned pardons present problems people previously presumed unimagineable? czarjak Mar 17 #25
Considering all the criminals he pardoned during his last term and the thousands of Jan 6th insurrectionists this term Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #26
Good alliteration... BigmanPigman Mar 17 #27
Simply another brick on the pile to gridlock the courts and.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 17 #32
That's exactly it! And now it's gotten to the point that he's ignoring judges who rule against him Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #33
Why doesn't Barack Obama weigh in on any of this? Silence from the former presidents? Walleye Mar 17 #37
Dumb moves cut both ways C_U_L8R Mar 17 #40
Trump is on a power high. He will get worse. Irish_Dem Mar 17 #41
The more he gets away with, he takes it farther the very next day - and it's been only weeks! Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #45
Yet another Constitutional crisis. J_William_Ryan Mar 17 #43
His Justice Department - which is supposed to be independent of the president - is there to prosecute his "enemies" Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #47
America has unleashed a cosplaying BEAST with no Legal Restraint whatsoever. MagaSmash Mar 17 #49
He perverts the 1st Amendment to re-program Americans' thinking to train them toward Fear, silence & stockholm syndrome ancianita Mar 17 #50
Cool down! This is basic TRUMP MIDNIGHT howling at the moon. some_of_us_are_sane Mar 17 #51
MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have LetMyPeopleVote Mar 17 #52
Wow! Thanks so much for all the details. Trump's retribution has crossed a line that no former president has crossed. Rhiannon12866 Mar 17 #53

MadameButterfly

(2,852 posts)
1. Ok, when do things stop being true just because Trump says them
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 02:24 AM
Mar 17

And who will stop these people from being prosecuted?
Or inversely, who will cancel the Jan. 6 Pardons if a pardon doesn't mean anything?

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
2. He thinks he can pardon the guilty, but he can invalidate the previous president's valid pardons??
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 02:32 AM
Mar 17

I read the comments on this video and there were even comments from those in other countries saying this is an emergency, that he's insane and needs to be removed ASAP.

MadameButterfly

(2,852 posts)
3. He is insane, demented, mentally ill, and just plain nonsensical
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 02:35 AM
Mar 17

We are dealing with Caligula here. But who will remove him? There is no mechanism for this.
The founding fathers imagined an insane president would have a sane cabinet or Congress to address the problem.

I'm finally beginning to understand what the people like Bernie mean, when they say it's up to the people. I didn't see what we could do. Trump won't care about a demonstration--of any size. But this is about showing such overwhelming protest that the police and the military are willing to enforce court orders and not those of Trump. That is what it will come down to.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
4. You're right. The Founding Fathers envisioned only the patriotic would be elected to lead this country
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 02:40 AM
Mar 17

They certainly never envisioned that a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist who stole classified documents and attempted to overthrow the government would be anyone's choice!

ShazzieB

(20,281 posts)
30. He is out of his damned mind.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:58 AM
Mar 17

His megalomania is so severe that he believes he not only has absolute power in the present but also the ability to retroactively change what's happened in the past. Even Hitler wasn't that crazy.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
31. I have no doubt you're right, yet he keeps getting worse and more insane - and he refuses to listen to judges who rule
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 05:30 AM
Mar 17

Against him. He believes he's above the law since he's already gotten away with crimes that would have resulted in a prison sentence for anyone else. What can be done to stop him?? We could stage our own insurrection, but this time he'd sic his own violent criminal insurrectionists on us. I fear he's recruiting his own private army - or getting Hegseth to do it for him.

BTW, GREAT animation!

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
44. You're certainly right! How many crimes did he commit before, during and after his first term?!
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:15 AM
Mar 17

He set a historical record for being impeached TWICE! And yet he has yet to serve time, yet anyone else committing the same crimes would and has spent time behind bars! So he's gone even further in his illegal activities now - to the point of disregarding rulings by judges...

littlemissmartypants

(27,202 posts)
46. IKR! I keep...
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:19 AM
Mar 17

Asking myself every day... what does it take to stop a psychopath? So far, I have no idea.

💚

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
48. What do we do with an official elected to serve the people, but uses his office to commit retribution instead??
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:37 AM
Mar 17

InAbLuEsTaTe

(25,097 posts)
34. The Doofus-in-Chief would need to have had a mind in order to be out of his mind... BTW, he makes Hitler seem sane!!
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 05:59 AM
Mar 17

BigmanPigman

(52,883 posts)
24. Many people have told me they want the CIA or Mafia
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:35 AM
Mar 17

to put a contract out on him. It sounds sort of "Hollywood" or "JFK" but then I think of what Putin does over and over to his enemies, etc. and it doesn't seem as ridiculous.

MadameButterfly

(2,852 posts)
29. I hope it would end with him
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:51 AM
Mar 17

and that Vance and the rest would not motivate the cult.

People falling out of windows couldlbe a thing with Trump. It seems to only go one way.

I doubt in the end we will win this way, we need something more stabel and lasting. But it is tempting.

Hope22

(3,907 posts)
5. This guy reminds me of when my son was four
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 02:59 AM
Mar 17

I put a plate of Oreos on the table and the little fart hurriedly licked each one of them thinking no one else would eat them. I picked one up, looking him square in the eye and ate it. He stood there making gagging noises, in total disbelief that I would eat them. Trust me I was not happy about it but I was making a point. Of course I told him that was rude but sometimes actions speak louder. I never had that problem again. So.. anyway, when T pulls crap like this I feel like he is licking all of the Oreos waiting for someone, anyone to tell him to knock off the bull because everyone is sick and tired of it. Unfortunately no one has ever set him straight! I think that someone comes in the form of world leaders standing up to him. It’s odd that so many in Congress can’t do this. The threat must be very pointed and personal. Calling the Supreme Court….you have created this monster…fix the problem. He has more than stepped over the line.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
6. Yikes! Valid comparison, but your son at 4 was smarter and quicker than this convicted criminal is at nearly 80
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 03:13 AM
Mar 17

And he has been convicted of several crimes, but still believes he's above the law. What does it take?? Anyone else who committed the same crimes would have been behind bars long ago! What does it take?? He already made history by being impeached twice, but Republicans in Congress were too afraid of attacks on themselves or their families or of being primaried to find him guilty. World leaders are more courageous than our own Congress - Republicans are afraid of even facing their constituents which is well deserved since they have chosen a schoolyard bully over the constituents they were elected to represent.

Hope22

(3,907 posts)
11. Somehow he still has a stranglehold on people of power inside the US.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 03:37 AM
Mar 17

Globally they are simply sick of him pulling $hit. That to me is our only hope!

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
13. I certainly agree. Apparently nothing that American citizens do has any impact on TFG, even former supporters are turning
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 03:48 AM
Mar 17

On him. But he doesn't care, he now views even them as enemies. Sad that our global allies are more incensed than American Republicans at his illegal and unprecedented attacks and threats.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
9. *Fingers Crossed* Considering the criminals he's pardoned, this action is clearly way over the line...
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 03:17 AM
Mar 17

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
17. I keep wondering what history will make of this unprecedented and insane criminal leadership
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:03 AM
Mar 17

Assuming we survive it - since we know he's attempting to change the Constitution and ignoring the rule of law.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
10. Overnight he's destroyed this country's status in the world and he's become an international pariah
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 03:23 AM
Mar 17

But who will remove him? He's already made history as a convicted felon and was impeached twice - with Republicans too afraid to find him guilty even though they experienced the horror of January 6th the same as Democrats did.

Buddyzbuddy

(719 posts)
14. If and when he makes outrageous statements I begin
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 03:56 AM
Mar 17

to look for what he's actually trying to distract us from seeing or what topic he's trying to knock off of the front page. Such as his total disregard of a legitimately enforceable court order. As opposed to those that can't be enforced .

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
15. Excellent point. That's what he does, his insanity has served as a distraction from his illegal behind-the-scenes actions
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 03:59 AM
Mar 17

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
28. You're more than welcome, my friend. That appears to be one of the criminal skills he possesses
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:50 AM
Mar 17

Doubtless learned from his favorite (and criminal) attorney, Roy Cohn.

Buddyzbuddy

(719 posts)
36. Exactly! He's not booksmart but he has a natural criminal aptitude.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:11 AM
Mar 17

That combined with a shameless brazeness backed by daddy warbucks made for a predictably lawless nature.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
38. Yup! He was so incorrigible at home that his parents sent him away to military school
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:27 AM
Mar 17

And then he met lawyer Roy Cohn who had been Joseph McCarthy's chief counsel. Cohn is still his idol though was eventually disbarred for unethical conduct. He compares every lawyer to the infamous Roy Cohn, learned his legal "ethics" from him.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
20. Besides being a criminal, he's obviously a moran - another recent example are his complaints about "transgender mice"
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:13 AM
Mar 17

progressoid

(51,278 posts)
18. The worst part about this... millions of Americans will support this.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:07 AM
Mar 17

The kool-aid drinkers will cheer this on.

BigmanPigman

(52,883 posts)
22. I just saw this on YouTube as I
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:28 AM
Mar 17

was about to go to bed and yelled a few profanities then wondered if DU had any info about this.

Stupid, stupid me. I doubt this will help my insomnia.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
23. Sorry about that, but DUers deserve to be informed. And I sure feel the same way and I never know when it'll hit me
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:34 AM
Mar 17

Earlier this week I was on the verge of an anxiety attack when I was driving. And it doesn't help that I'm listening to Liz Cheney's book (again) in my car. She goes into detail about what they all experienced on January 6th and I really should put it aside right now.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
26. Considering all the criminals he pardoned during his last term and the thousands of Jan 6th insurrectionists this term
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:41 AM
Mar 17

This truly is unprecedented - and has to be illegal.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,683 posts)
32. Simply another brick on the pile to gridlock the courts and....
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 05:36 AM
Mar 17

to push us further into their right-wing unitary executive concept........

In simple terms.......fascism.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
33. That's exactly it! And now it's gotten to the point that he's ignoring judges who rule against him
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 05:48 AM
Mar 17

What does it take to wake up Republicans, both those in Congress and MAGA voters?? He's already turned our oldest allies and trading partners against us. And yes, he promised us a dictatorship and he's achieving his goal in record time.

C_U_L8R

(47,131 posts)
40. Dumb moves cut both ways
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:35 AM
Mar 17

As soon as this clown is out of office, all his insurrectionists and coconspirators may find themselves right back in jail.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
45. The more he gets away with, he takes it farther the very next day - and it's been only weeks!
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:19 AM
Mar 17

Where will we be in a year - or two - if he isn't stopped now??

J_William_Ryan

(2,657 posts)
43. Yet another Constitutional crisis.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:07 AM
Mar 17

Trump orders his ‘justice’ Department to investigate/prosecute someone President Biden pardoned.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
47. His Justice Department - which is supposed to be independent of the president - is there to prosecute his "enemies"
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:24 AM
Mar 17

Including those his predecessor pardoned - since he sees any previous Democratic predecessor as an "enemy."

So much for the exclusive presidents' club:

MagaSmash

(9,280 posts)
49. America has unleashed a cosplaying BEAST with no Legal Restraint whatsoever.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:15 AM
Mar 17

How much Heartache will ensue? How many needless Deaths and Destroyed Lives?

ancianita

(40,324 posts)
50. He perverts the 1st Amendment to re-program Americans' thinking to train them toward Fear, silence & stockholm syndrome
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:24 AM
Mar 17

We must keep the Truths of history alive -- No technological utopia will ever be based on the human souls or the human spirit.

some_of_us_are_sane

(1,147 posts)
51. Cool down! This is basic TRUMP MIDNIGHT howling at the moon.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:39 AM
Mar 17
First, remember: THIS MAN IS GETTING CLOSE TO CERTIFIABLY INSANE.

Second: We're hearing the "Can't sleep, let's go wreck the COSMOS!" crap of too many drugs for too long.

(And as the Brits say: "Keep calm and carry on." .............(good advice.) )

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,818 posts)
52. MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 12:42 PM
Mar 17

Donald Trump doesn’t have the authority to invalidate Joe Biden’s pardons. The Republican is apparently simply asserting the right anyway.
https://bsky.app/profile/stevebenen.com/post/3lkl4fw6uek22

If you're just getting up, shortly after midnight, Trump simply asserted that he has the authority to invalidate some of Biden's pardons – which is every bit as radical and bonkers as it seems



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-says-s-invalidating-biden-pardons-claiming-power-doesnt-rcna196671

There’s a lot to unpack in this 158-word harangue, and there’s probably no point in highlighting every individual error of fact and judgment. The bottom line, however, is relatively straightforward: Trump claims that Biden didn’t actually sign pardons for members of the bipartisan House Jan. 6 committee, so as far as the Republican is concerned, prosecutors are free to go after them, despite the fact that there’s literally no evidence that they did anything wrong.

The entire pitch is based on the president’s apparent belief that (a) his immediate predecessor used an autopen to sign the pardons; (b) documents signed by autopens don’t count; and (c) Biden suffered from mental deterioration to such a horrific degree that he wasn’t aware of his own policies and preferences.

The first point is dubious, given that there’s no evidence that Biden used the tool to issue the pardons; the second point appears unsupported by law; and the third point is offensive on its face.

But let’s also not lose sight of the forest for the trees: For the first time in American history, a sitting president is asserting the right to invalidate a predecessor’s pardons.

In other words, as the United States deals with a sustained offensive against the rule of law, Trump has made up a new power for himself that does not exist.

To be sure, there’s often a disconnect between what Trump says he’s doing and what he’s actually doing. The Republican has now claimed in writing that he’s voiding some Biden-era pardons, but given recent history, it’s entirely possible that in the coming hours and days, the White House will pretend he never actually published such a message. Perhaps, in other words, this radicalism will soon be forgotten.

But if Trump seriously takes steps to undo Biden's pardons, because he feels like it, the coming fight will be dramatic.

Even though trump's full tweet was in this article, I did not include it in this post. I do my best to NOT post trump's rants directly,
I have seen that trump really wants to go after Liz Cheney and other J6 Committee members. If trump tries to claim that pardons he dislikes are invalid, it will be a fun fight.

Rhiannon12866

(232,562 posts)
53. Wow! Thanks so much for all the details. Trump's retribution has crossed a line that no former president has crossed.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:33 PM
Mar 17
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