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Night of Violence? Trump's Fascist Response to Hurricane Helene - Thom Hartmann (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Yesterday OP
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Cirsium

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Fri Oct 4, 2024, 02:09 PM
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This is an important subject and Hartmann's sloppiness here is disappointing.

Hartmann:

Any kind of a student of German history at all - you know I lived in Germany for a little over a year and you cannot do that and not familiarize yourself with German history. I believe it was in 1938 - Kristallnacht - um I'd have to go back and look, maybe it might have been much earlier, in fact it was probably much earlier than that.
The night of November 9-10, 1938 is correct, not "much earlier than that." What sort of self-professed student of German history needs "to go back and look?" To say "I lived in Germany for a little over a year" so therefore he is familiar with German history is a strange statement.

Hartmann:
Donald Trump is literally in a speech in Erie Pennsylvania he literally suggested that we should have Kristallnacht, which is kind of stage two of the Nazi takeover.
"Stage two of the Nazi takeover?" Say what? Nazi control of Germany was complete and absolute long before 1938, as "any kind of a student of German history at all" would certainly know.

Hartmann apparently is confusing the Night of the Long Knives - June 29-30, 1934 - with Kristallnacht.

Kristallnacht

During the night of November 9-10, 1938 Jewish shops, dwellings, schools, and above all synagogues and other religious establishments symbolic of Judaism were set alight. Tens of thousands of Jews were terrorized in their homes, sometimes beaten to death, and in a few cases raped. In Cologne, a town with a rich Jewish tradition dating from the first century CE, four synagogues were desecrated and torched, shops were destroyed and looted, and male Jews were arrested and thrown into concentration camps.

Brutal events were recorded in the hitherto peaceful townships of the Upper Palatinate, Lower Franconia, Swabia, and others. In Hannover, Herschel Grynszpan‘s hometown, the well-known Jewish neurologist Joseph Loewenstein escaped the pogrom when he heeded an anonymous warning the previous day; his home, however, with all its valuables, was seized by the Nazis.

In Berlin, where 140,000 Jews still resided, SA men devastated nine of the 12 synagogues and set fire to them. Children from the Jewish orphanages were thrown out on the street. About 1,200 men were sent to Oranienburg-Sachsenhausen concentration camp under “protective custody.” Many of the wrecked Jewish shops did not open again.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/kristallnacht/

Night of the Long Knives

By 1934, Adolf Hitler appeared to have complete control over Germany but, like most dictators, he constantly feared that he might be ousted by others who wanted his power. To protect himself from a possible coup, Hitler used the tactic of "divide and rule" and encouraged other leaders, including Hermann Goering, Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler, and Ernst Röhm, to compete with each other for senior positions.

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On June 29, 1934, Hitler, accompanied by the Schutzstaffel (SS), arrived at Wiesse, where he personally arrested Ernst Röhm. During the next 24 hours, 200 other senior SA officers were arrested on the way to Wiesse. Many were shot as soon as they were captured, but Hitler decided to pardon Röhm because of his past services to the movement. However, after much pressure from Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler, Hitler agreed that Röhm should die. At first Hitler insisted that Röhm should be allowed to commit suicide but, when he refused, Röhm was shot by two SS men.

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The purge of the SA was kept secret until it was announced by Adolf Hitler on July 13. It was during this speech that Hitler gave the purge its name: Night of the Long Knives (a phrase from a popular Nazi song). Hitler claimed that 61 had been executed while 13 had been shot resisting arrest and three had committed suicide. Others have argued that as many as 400 people were killed during the purge. In his speech, Hitler explained why he had not relied on the courts to deal with the conspirators: "In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I become the supreme judge of the German people. I gave the order to shoot the ringleaders in this treason."

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-night-of-the-long-knives
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