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ancianita

(40,321 posts)
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 11:55 AM Mar 1

Timothy Snyder -- How The Crisis in This Country is In the Oval Office: The Show of Strength is Not Power

There was something really desperate about that performance, I thought.

Because what the vice president was doing, what he was yelling across the room at Zelenskyy was "You're wrong, you're wrong," as though Vance knows anything about any of this.

This is a man who isn't responsible for a country at war. This is a man who hasn't visited Ukraine. This is a man who's unable to say anything about the war except what has first been said in Russian propaganda. And yet there is a sense that the only thing that matters in the world is yelling that you're right and the other person is wrong.

Not only is that shameful in terms of basic decency and ethics, it also reveals a very profound strategic poverty.
Because if the people running the country from the Oval Office are so sensitive, so psychologically vulnerable that they can be triggered by pretty much anything, and if they consider it a victory for themselves (as they proclaim) when they treat their allies badly -- it's not that they may have malign intentions to join an alliance led by Russia, it's also that they displayed themselves as being weak and open to manipulation.

What's happening abroad echoes what's happening within.
In both cases you have this performance of 'strength' -- and I would kinda caution all of us from using the word strength too often, because the theatrical self persuasive performance of strength is not the same thing as power. It's not the same as being able to get things done.
So even as at home we're dismantling the state and we're reducing our ability to do anything,
abroad, we're trading 80 years of trusting, effective, and enriching alliances for a country whose main way of engaging us -- Russia -- is to spy on us, is to hack us, and steal our technology. That country's economy is about 1/20th the size of our allies.

So we're trading something which has worked and which has brought us power for a different kind of world order in which we'll not only be morally indefensible but will be much weaker.

That word weakness has to be used more. The Trump administration is choosing a form of weakness with which they are comfortable. That style of mafia intimidation -- that doesn't actually bring power on world scale. It just puts you into the same company as Xi and Putin. But it doesn't even make you the leader. -- you're trading the chance of being leader of the free world for being a midpacker in unfreedom.

Start 25:03
(hinky foreign vid, so stop at 34:50)


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LastDemocratInSC

(4,002 posts)
3. I've seen that video at the end of the 4pm segment of Deadline White House
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 12:28 PM
Mar 1

when watching the reruns on YouTube, each night this week. It consumes about 10 minutes of the end of the show. Very strange.

SheltieLover

(66,639 posts)
2. Beardo & slobby were frantic, trying to get the contract for pootin
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 12:10 PM
Mar 1

We all know what happens to people who don't get the job done for pootin.

I believe that is the root of the desperation the entire world witnessed.

Weak sauce imo.

Slava Ukrani!

sop

(13,771 posts)
4. I agree with Timothy Snyder's analysis, but I think he's giving Trump too much credit.
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 12:30 PM
Mar 1

Obviously, Trump is incapable of acting like a leader, and he's certainly not concerned about any political alliances. Trump is deathly afraid of what Putin could reveal about him. Like many others, I suspect Putin has evidence that would literally destroy Trump. It's probably a video of Trump openly agreeing to become a Russian agent years ago. Trump would sell America down the river a hundred times over to keep something like that from being revealed.

ancianita

(40,321 posts)
5. I hear you. But it's not about Trump. It's about the mentality he projects from oligarchs to bring down
Sat Mar 1, 2025, 01:12 PM
Mar 1

the power of the United States to a manageable status for them.

Sure, everything you say about the felon's motivations is also behind this. So yeah, they could be that personal and desperate.

Consider this:
All these analyses can be true at once. Because right as you are in what you say, it can still stand
alongside any other analysis and none of them put together can change the overall goal of the oligarchs that surround him and that he capitulates to. Sure, it's true that what the felon is willing to do for Putin with Ukraine is also what the felon is willing to do for Putin/Jin Ping/Musk with the United States.

And the purpose of this OP analysis and yours is to get us closer to doing something about it.

My point: Just because we and Snyder know these things doesn't mean we Americans can stop it.

We The People have to get Western heads and institutional forces together to do something about it.

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