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douglas9

(4,722 posts)
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 08:22 AM Apr 9

How the Latin Mass Split the Catholic Church

Jessica Harvey used to worship in a church with stained glass and a soaring ceiling. The Catholic parish gave Harvey and her family a sense of community as they settled into their new hometown in Virginia. But a year later, they started worshipping at a Catholic school four miles away, in a cramped space that used to double as a ballet studio and storage room. Instead of stained glass, colored images cover the windows. Exposed ductwork hangs overhead.

Why the downgrade? Harvey’s parish was forced to relocate its traditional Latin Mass, an ancient version of the Catholic liturgy that has set off one of the fiercest controversies in modern Catholicism. In 2021, Pope Francis restricted access to the old rite and required that priests get special permission to celebrate it. The parishes that are still allowed to offer the traditional Mass can’t advertise it in their bulletin. And many Latin Mass devotees, like Harvey, no longer worship in their churches, which are largely reserved for the newer, now-standard rite. Traditionalists have been relegated in some cases to auditoriums and school gyms.

In an autobiography published earlier this year, the pope made his distaste clear, writing that he deplored the “ostentation” of priests who celebrate the old Mass in fancy vestments and lace, which can “sometimes conceal mental imbalance.” Such language stands in clear contrast to his emphasis on mercy and pastoral flexibility toward groups on the margins, such as divorced or LGBTQ Catholics.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/latin-mass-pope-francis-church/682354/

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How the Latin Mass Split the Catholic Church (Original Post) douglas9 Apr 9 OP
Nothing says 'devotion' like religious ceremonies EYESORE 9001 Apr 9 #1
According to Wikipedia, that is one of the possible explanations. Wonder Why Apr 9 #3
It happens to be my personal favorite EYESORE 9001 Apr 9 #7
They stopped Latin Mass snowybirdie Apr 9 #2
Yup! Some people can never change. Even though I took 3 years of Latin in High School Wonder Why Apr 9 #5
Me too snowybirdie Apr 9 #6
I assumed this was a radical wing of the church doing this Redleg Apr 9 #4
It's the very traditionalist wing of Catholicism T_i_B Yesterday #8

EYESORE 9001

(28,046 posts)
1. Nothing says 'devotion' like religious ceremonies
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 08:38 AM
Apr 9

where you (likely) can’t understand the words. It’s no accident that the magician’s catchphrase ‘hocus pocus’ is corrupted, faux Latin from the Roman Catholic mass.

snowybirdie

(6,021 posts)
2. They stopped Latin Mass
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 09:48 AM
Apr 9

In the 60's. Very few of vanishing Catholics were alive then. Fewer priests. A dead language. And the ones that demand Latin Mass are the ones so conservative that most regular people are driven away from them and the Church. No feeling sorry for them.

Wonder Why

(5,498 posts)
5. Yup! Some people can never change. Even though I took 3 years of Latin in High School
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:21 AM
Apr 9

60+ years ago, I never was able to interpret it from someone talking in even the simplest Latin because nobody used it in conversation.

snowybirdie

(6,021 posts)
6. Me too
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:25 AM
Apr 9

Finally when we retired in Mexico, my 1950's lessons from the good Sr. Marie. finally came in handy when we moved and had to learn Spanish.

Redleg

(6,447 posts)
4. I assumed this was a radical wing of the church doing this
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 10:19 AM
Apr 9

I grew up Catholic and attended mass from the mid 1960s until the mid 1980s and never once heard a Latin mass. Some of the short prayers were in Latin or Greek but the rest of the mass was in contemporary English, including the Catholic Bible, which was printed in contemporary English. I saw the use of the contemporary Bible as an important advance of the church.

T_i_B

(14,847 posts)
8. It's the very traditionalist wing of Catholicism
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 02:09 AM
Yesterday

Who attach special importance to the Latin Mass and decry the second Vatican council for it's move away from that.

Often it seems to be new converts who are most zealous for the Latin Mass.

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