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scipan

(2,816 posts)
Wed May 28, 2025, 11:36 PM May 28

Do you feel safe and validated (on the whole) on DU? If not, how can we help?

I just realized that someone who posted here a lot has not posted recently and I'm worried about them. It appears they had trouble with other posters not understanding.

It makes me very sad. I would like to do something about it.

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LearnedHand

(4,748 posts)
1. I'm an ally, and I think there are reasons members of DU's LGBT community might not be in the best place
Wed May 28, 2025, 11:46 PM
May 28

One gay member posted in another thread recently about feeling unheard because of the conversation around trans rights (especially as framed around participation in school sports). Their pain and confusion was very visible.

scipan

(2,816 posts)
2. It has to be scary for trans people. it's like the right is trying to erase their existence.
Wed May 28, 2025, 11:57 PM
May 28

ETA: that's why it's so tragic if DU is failing them as well.

Thanks for responding. Trying to learn what I can here.

LoisB

(10,709 posts)
3. I think I know who you are talking about. No posts in at least 3 months. I hope she is well
Thu May 29, 2025, 12:16 AM
May 29

and knows there are many allies here.

scipan

(2,816 posts)
4. I do too.
Thu May 29, 2025, 12:24 AM
May 29


ETA: DU can be tough sometimes. What is not, and can't be, in the rules is that maybe we need to be more proactive. Like sticking up for people. I'm really not sure.

ShazzieB

(20,821 posts)
6. I agree with being more proactive in sticking up for people.
Thu May 29, 2025, 01:31 PM
May 29

I'm not sure there's a good way to put that into the rules, but I'd love to see more of that kind of thing here.

I'm sad to hear that there's still a problem here with people being made to feel less than safe here. I know our founders have tried to address this in the past, by clarifying certain things in the TOS, but it sounds like more may need to be done.

I don't know who the person is that the OP is referring to, but I hope they're okay and that there's a way to make them and others like them feel more welcome here.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,388 posts)
5. I think I know who you are talking about
Thu May 29, 2025, 12:47 AM
May 29

I learned a great deal from her and many here were not supportive. Some folks are closeted conservatives and it was as if I was in a thread about the Middle East people were so vicious in responding to her concerns. I wish her well wherever she is.

ShazzieB

(20,821 posts)
7. Oh, those threads about the Middle East are the worst!
Thu May 29, 2025, 01:54 PM
May 29

I assume you're talking about the ones about Israel and Gaza. Those do get vicious, so much so that I have been avoiding them for a while now. There are people on both sides who are absolutely adamant about their stance and refuse to even consider differing viewpoints, and the rhetoric can get very heated as a result.

I got involved in some of those discussions after the initial attack in October 2023, but as time went on, it became harder and harder to participate unless one was willing to take a hard line position on one side or the other. I'm sorry, but if I can't criticize any of Netanyahu's actions without being labeled an antisemite, there's no way we can have a constructive conversation, you know? As a result, I've been avoiding those threads for some time (with a few very small exceptions).

I'm really sorry to hear that someone was badly hurt by what was posted in one of those threads, but having seen having seen what those threads can be like, I am, sadly, not really surprised. I hope she doesn't let it scare her away from DU forever. There are lots of very kind and non judgmental people here, and I hate to see anyone be made to feel unwelcome by the intolerance of a particular group

BootOutTheGoons

(308 posts)
8. No. And no. I don't feel safe nor validated
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:21 AM
Thursday

I don't think there is a single trans person on DU who feels safe or validated. I'd say it's more like the opposite: We feel unsafe, unwanted and hated.

It's bad enough that every freaking day we have to hear MAGA spew their hatred for us and how much they want us all gone. Then we come here and it feels like we get more of the same.

How long has it been now of using "defending girls sports" to punch down on the trans community? How many years? Meanwhile, the loudest and meanest on that subject have nothing to actually say about women's sports. They're not discussing the WNBA. They had nothing to say when an adult male high school coach grabbed one of his own players by her hair. They're silent when MAGA goes after female athletes. But the second there's a story with a whiff of trans to it? Hundreds of replies, many of them downright hostile.

I've seen far too much misgendering and deadnaming. I've seen people get away with saying "men do not belong in women's spaces" - which is basically calling trans women "men".

Along those lines, I saw a thread several days ago where someone used AI to make a picture of trump in a yellow dress so he'd resemble a chicken, calling him "TACO Belle". I'm all for blasting that fascist monster... but that was basically "Hey everyone, look at trump in a dress! HAHAHA!" It was transphobic in nature.

I've seen gender affirming care attacked, especially that care for trans youth. Because "my body, my choice" seems to magically disappear when it comes to trans people trying to find lifesaving care and live our lives in peace and comfort, instead of misery and suffering.

I've seen people come up to bat for JK Rowling, Charlie Kirk and even Dan Crenshaw. Rowling has done nothing for years but attack trans people. Did she have anything to say when Roe got overturned? How about any other women's issue? No. Because Rowling doesn't give a fuck about women, she merely hates trans people. I've seen multiple people try to claim that Kirk never called for eradicating trans people, when he has indeed said those very words many times over the years. And then Crenshaw... REPUBLICAN Representative Dan Crenshaw. Who is full on MAGA. Who does nothing but spew hate. But I'm out of line for attacking him because "he lost his eye fighting for this country!" Yeah? He clearly didn't fight for me, because one of his primary goals since being elected is to cause great harm to people like me.

So he's allowed to work to kill me, but I'm supposed to kiss his ass?!

"This is the hill we're going to die on?" Seen plenty of that too. Failing to get that unless people start working to protect trans rights and trans lives, trans people are going to die. But... That's okay because we're such a small group? Because everyone fucking hates us anyway?

I've seen and experienced all of this here.

But then let's talk about the last seven months, shall we? Where it's been open season on trans people because "you cost us the election!" I don't think one single day has gone by on DU without people (usually the same people) claiming trans people and us wanting our rights and lives protected is what got TACO put back in the White House. We've been scapegoated constantly. We've been attacked constantly. Protecting trans rights and trans lives "is why we lose elections!" It never stops. Some of them repeatedly say it in coded words... Some come right out and just say it. "Losing issue" and "this is why we lose elections" and other such statements.

On that subject, let's talk about coded bigotry. Using slurs is easy, and many of us know the various slurs that minorities and people who aren't white straight cisgender males have to hear. But we have far too many who think they are clever. For instance, for many years, racists thought they were cute by using "welfare cheats" and "quotas" and "thugs" instead of the N-word. Now of course here in 2025, "DEI" has become the code word for people of color, or immigrants, or women, or LGBTQs... in other words, those who aren't white straight cisgender males.

Well, it's become part of the culture here. "Unpopular opinions/positions/issues" has effectively become a transphobic slur. Same with "real women". There are several other such statements that basically are being used as slurs because they feel that calling us "unpopular" will fly under the radar and they can get away with it.

"We can't talk about that here" has become a code phrase for "I agree with discriminating against trans people". The people using it over and over know there's a good chance they'll get in trouble if they say they agree with the bigots... So it's now coded as "We can't talk about that".

Our lives have become a living hell. We're under constant attack from the MAGA party. Then we come here and get more of that. I don't think a lot of people get it... or they do get it and this is the intended result. We're scared, we're hurt, we're struggling, and we feel like everyone wants us dead.

Nobody does shit. We're being thrown under the bus by everyone. And I do feel like there are more than a few on the left who would be overjoyed if people like me just hurried up and died.

I wish I could say that what I see here is out of ignorance... I can't. It feels malicious and it has for some time. If not since November 5, it started feeling that way not long after that.

I'm so tired and so hurt and so scared that... At this point, if the world wants me dead? Just hurry it up. Make it quick and painless and get it over with already.

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