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hatrack

(60,427 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 09:28 AM 11 hrs ago

'Murca!!! A Worker At An Amazon Hub Surrounded By Fires; A Roofer In Florid's Summer Heat w/o Protection

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During a blistering heatwave, the Line fire exploded across nearly 40,000 acres in the Inland Empire, which has one of the largest concentrations of logistics warehouses in the country. As the fire advanced, thousands of residents, including several of Ayala’s co-workers, were asked to evacuate their homes. Still, tens of thousands of warehouse workers – forklift operators, packagers, truck drivers and delivery workers – continued working to fulfill consumers’ growing reliance on one-click, doorstep delivery.

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Ayala was preparing to drive to work on a Sunday, when a co-worker called to tell her the smoke was so dense at the air hub, they couldn’t breathe. By the time Ayala clocked in, the fire was burning so hot it had created its own thunderstorms. Another co-worker was crying because she was fatigued and it had become painful to breathe. Several others checked into the site’s healthcare centre and were given the advice to rest before returning outside to work. “And it wasn’t just people who worked outdoors – we could smell smoke inside the building,” Ayala said. “This was just getting intolerable for us.”

That day, a group of about 50 employees approached their management to demand they be sent home, with pay. “Amazon was giving us the runaround, management was giving us the runaround. But ash was falling from the sky and we demanded an answer,” she said. Eventually, Amazon agreed to shut down operations and sent employees home with pay. It was a major win for workers at the air hub, who have been organizing for better working conditions since the air hub opened in 2021. But the relief was short-lived. Ayala and her co-workers were told to return on Tuesday; those who felt unsafe were given the option to stay home without pay. “But it’s not really a choice, because we need the money,” Ayala said.

Amazon contests this account, stating that they “proactively closed” the air hub for almost 48 hours. The company did so, “out of an abundance of caution after the Line fire more than doubled in size overnight. The facility remained closed for about two days, and employees were paid during that time,” said Montana MacLachlan, a spokesperson for Amazon.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/oct/03/california-warehouse-employees-working-conditions-heatwave

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There are an estimated 2 million outdoor workers in Florida. But despite warming trends, workers here and throughout the US currently have no heat protections on the job. Earlier this year, Republicans in Florida passed a law banning cities and counties from enacting heat protections for workers, amid industry pressure. The Biden administration has proposed a federal rule to provide heat protections for workers, but it could be several more years until it is approved and enacted.

Atlahua explained employers provide no heat protections or resources to her and her co-workers who are directly exposed to the sun on the roofs of houses and buildings. Instead, she and her co-workers are left to try to take care and support themselves. “They don’t give anything to the workers,” Atlahua noted in reference to whether employers provide any water, training or support for workers around the heat.

As roofers, she and her co-workers aren’t provided any shade, either. If they have to use the bathroom, they are forced to drive to the nearest gas station to use one there and rely on the air conditioning in the gas station and their vehicles to cool down on breaks. Atlahua argued that she would like to see improvements in education for workers on how to protect themselves from the heat, and for more patience and support from employers, who often won’t allow workers to work too early or too late in the day when the temperatures and sun exposure aren’t as hot.

She also noted due to the nature of the work, with contractors often utilizing subcontractors who have their own employees, that the lack of education and protections around heat get dismissed and the onus is put on workers to try to protect themselves the best they can. Though employers are supposed to provide clean, drinkable water for free to workers under Osha’s general duty clause, employers will come up with excuses against doing so. “It’s because of the laws in Florida and the message Florida sends to employers. Employers also give the excuse that they are liable if they give us water and we get sick,” she added.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/oct/01/florida-roofers-working-conditions-extreme-heat

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LisaM

(28,350 posts)
1. People are so addicted to Amazon.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:01 AM
11 hrs ago

I have plenty of (ostensibly) liberal friends who gripe if their packages are a day or two late. The pressure this puts on drivers (and the post office) is intense. Treating employees this way is the logical outcome of this.

eppur_se_muova

(37,073 posts)
2. I never buy from Amazon unless that's the only choice. Used to buy lots of books from them before they diversified.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:20 AM
10 hrs ago

Once they decided to try to take over the entire retail market they didn't seem like a company I wanted to deal with anymore.

I get my books mostly from ThriftBooks now, with a few special orders I can't find after a long wait from dealers found through an ISBN search: www.isbns.co.nz

LisaM

(28,350 posts)
3. Yes, I believe they have caused harm.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:29 AM
10 hrs ago

I order things very occasionally, mostly because I was given a large gift card and if I don't use it, they will end up pocketing the money. I haven't given them a nickel of my own money.

In general, I use the gift card balance to buy out of print books. I did use it to buy a laptop when my old one died, and that was an exercise in caution. The laptop runs fine, but I hate the keyboard and I will never buy something like that sight unseen again. And that is another problem with Amazon. Half of it gets shipped back - people essentially browse at home and then return things, which can't be good for the environment, which leads to more extreme weather, which leads to situations like Amazon employees being at risk....

eppur_se_muova

(37,073 posts)
4. "Not good for the environment" -- I read on DU they destroy anything that is returned.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:32 AM
10 hrs ago

Doesn't matter what it is -- if a customer returns something purchased through one of Amazon's partners, Amazon crushes it and sends it to landfill. The affiliate bears the refund cost.

LauraInLA

(1,038 posts)
9. I'm not sure how true that is -- you can often buy items from Amazon that have been opened and returned.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:34 PM
7 hrs ago

And there are perishable items that are not “returnable” — the food etc. would probably have to be destroyed if returned.

eppur_se_muova

(37,073 posts)
10. Apparently, it was more true before than it is now. There's more liquidation and reselling now ...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:17 PM
7 hrs ago

... which is certainly better environmentally. Apparently, most "fashion" items are not worth the cost of returning.

This video is a couple of years old, but it does describe some changes. And it turns out it's not just something that Amazon, or even online retailers, do.

cbabe

(4,026 posts)
5. Recommend Bookshop.org is a platform that lets you buy books online and choose a local bookstore to receive a portion of
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 10:48 AM
10 hrs ago
https://bookshop.org

Bookshop: Buy books online. Support local bookstores.

Bookshop.org is a platform that lets you buy books online and choose a local bookstore to receive a portion of the proceeds. You

eppur_se_muova

(37,073 posts)
6. Thanks, found a couple of bookstores I didn't know about.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:07 AM
10 hrs ago

Even BAM moved out of our area during the pandemic. The main store downtown has relocated and may be smaller.

Sorry to see The Booklegger wasn't listed.

cbabe

(4,026 posts)
7. You're welcome. My used bookstore told me about this site. I can buy new and still
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:17 AM
10 hrs ago

support the used booksellers.

eppur_se_muova

(37,073 posts)
8. Small town bookstores are a godsend. I've lived in places where an old wooden house jammed full of paperbacks ...
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 11:38 AM
9 hrs ago

... was the best thing around. Found some really interesting things in those shelves full of old books, too.

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