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lees1975

(5,339 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 01:33 PM Wednesday

First Trump, now Vance, flips on abortion rights, selling out their Evangelical constituency.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/10/first-trump-now-vance-flips-on-abortion.html

In both of the debates that have occurred since Kamala Harris became the Democratic nominee for President, the Republican candidates have completely shifted their position on abortion rights.

In his debate with Harris, when the subject came up, Trump claimed he wasn't sure how he would vote on Florida's referendum to make abortion legal, up to a point, in the state. He made it very clear that he appointed three judges to the Supreme Court committed to overturning the Roe v. Wade decision, though all three lied to Congress about their position that it was "the settled law of the land." But now he is saying that he never meant for that to cause a national abortion ban, only that he "and everybody" wanted it in the states. And he clearly stated that six weeks was too short a period of time to cut off the ability to get an abortion.

"That's not long enough," he said, when Harris made mention of the fact that most women don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks.

Clearly, this is not what conservative Evangelicals have in mind, given their support for a man they claim was "sent by God" specifically to end abortion rights in the United States. They've taken a beating, been labelled as hypocrites for supporting a man who is an incessant liar, who gropes women and brags about it, who has had five children with three different wives, to whom he has been unfaithful, who pays for sex with porn stars, and who incites violence, and who has denied their own faith by claiming he has done nothing requiring God's forgiveness. That's a big sacrifice to make for a single political issue, and now, both Trump, and his VP running mate J.D. Vance, have acknowledged that they are fine with each state deciding whether abortion can be legal or not, and for how long during a pregnancy an abortion can be performed.

Last night, when pressed, Vance denied he had previously called for a national abortion ban and went back to the "states have the right to determine this issue" argument. Of course, that was a lie. It was a central theme of his campaign for Senate in Ohio. But then, this is the guy who once compared Trump to Hitler, and who declared him to be the worst President in American history. It's been easy to see that he is a slimy, lying opportunist, which is how he made his fortune and why he is attracted to Trump. But during last night's debate, Vance went out of his way, using the example of California, who, he said, is a state that "thinks differently" on the issue and should have the ability to determine what it will do. And he covered it all up with a lot of evasive language to change the subject.


So here's the question I want to ask today. Will they continue to sell their soul to the devil, now that they are not getting anything at all in return? Not only have they had this issue walked back on them, after they thought they'd won when the courts ruled on Dobbs, but both Trump and Vance, in debate responses to questions, have completely abandoned any reference to, or support for Project 2025, something that has their fingerprints all over it. So the one thing that I believe is the real attraction for far right extremist Evangelicals, Project 2025 and a white supremacist, Christian nationalist regime brought into reality by Trump, also appears to be off the table, at least for now.

Do they have the integrity to stand up for what they claim to believe, and walk away from their support for Trump because he has thrown them under the bus when he realized how much this issue motivates voters to support his opponent? Or will they have the integrity to do the right thing, and not give him their votes in November?


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First Trump, now Vance, flips on abortion rights, selling out their Evangelical constituency. (Original Post) lees1975 Wednesday OP
They didn't flip Freddie Wednesday #1
The OP states that in the closing paragraph. lees1975 Wednesday #6
It's not about babies and never was HelpImSurrounded Wednesday #2
Wealthy women will always have a choice central scrutinizer Wednesday #7
Give fundivangelicals some credit - they know exactly what Trump/Vance are doing re abortion. 50 Shades Of Blue Wednesday #3
Exactly ret5hd Wednesday #4
"And he covered it all up with a lot of evasive language to change the subject." Demovictory9 Wednesday #5

Freddie

(9,547 posts)
1. They didn't flip
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 01:37 PM
Wednesday

They just want people to believe they did. Vance kept repeating how women don’t trust Republicans on abortion. WHY SHOULD WE??

lees1975

(5,339 posts)
6. The OP states that in the closing paragraph.
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 01:48 PM
Wednesday
How many of them really have sold their soul, and find themselves in a place where it's too late to get it back? And if that's the case, and they have sold their soul, is this just more lying, duplicitous rhetoric from Trump and Vance aimed at reclaiming their lost moderate Republican and independent voter constituency?

HelpImSurrounded

(479 posts)
2. It's not about babies and never was
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 01:39 PM
Wednesday

Abortion is just a right wing dog whistle for controlling women and people of color.

They won't abandon him because they have what they want - Roe reversed and laws that oppress women. They know that, under trump, they can continue to push their American Taliban agenda. They know that now that America has woken up to their threat anything BUT Trump will be defeat for their long term agenda.

It's not about babies, it's not about christianity. It's about white supremacist patriarchy which they are willing to die to preserve.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,713 posts)
3. Give fundivangelicals some credit - they know exactly what Trump/Vance are doing re abortion.
Wed Oct 2, 2024, 01:41 PM
Wednesday

It's called lying for Jesus. They're lying now, to get elected, and if they get elected, they'll go right back to banning abortion. It's that simple!

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