Congressional committees to scrutinize U.S. killing of boat strike survivors
Source: Washington Post
Republican-led committees in the Senate and the House say they will amplify their scrutiny of the Pentagon after a Washington Post report revealing that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken order to kill all crew members aboard a vessel suspected of smuggling drugs in the Caribbean Sea several weeks ago.
A live drone feed showed two survivors from the original crew of 11 clinging to the wreckage of their boat after the initial missile attack Sept. 2, The Post reported Friday afternoon. The Special Operations commander overseeing the operation then ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseths directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation, killing both survivors. Those people, along with five others in the original report, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matters sensitivity.
Late Friday, Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Mississippi), the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Sen. Jack Reed (Rhode Island), the committees top Democrat, issued a statement saying that the committee is aware of recent news reports and the Department of Defenses initial response regarding alleged follow-on strikes on suspected narcotics vessels. The committee, they said, has directed inquiries to the Department, and we will be conducting vigorous oversight to determine the facts related to these circumstances.
The leaders of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Mike D. Rogers (R-Alabama) and Rep. Adam Smith (D-Washington), followed suit late Saturday. In a brief joint statement, the pair said they are taking bipartisan action to gather a full accounting of the operation in question. The committee, they noted, is committed to providing rigorous oversight of the Department of Defenses military operations in the Caribbean.
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We shall see.
Skittles
(168,842 posts)ShazzieB
(22,033 posts)I got excited when I read those words, because I think REPUBLICAN-LED COMMITTEES taking the lead on this is extremely encouraging. Since January 20, 2025, when have Republicans in either house of Congress should any signs whatsoever of standing up to the Orange Hellbeast, or even challenging him in any significant way? Never, unless my memory is playing tricks on me. (If I've missed something, somebody please fill me in, but it seems to me they've been passively allowing him to do whatever he damned well pleases, for the most part.)
And don't forget: all congressional committees are chaired by a member of the majority party, which means they're ALL Republican-led right now. That means Republicans pretty much get to decide whether anything gets investigated these days. They could choose to ignore this if they wanted to...and it sounds like they're NOT going to do that for a change! I think that's pretty big news. WaPo agrees, per this quote from the article: "The development is significant. Since President Donald Trumps return to the White House, the Republican majorities in Congress have shown considerable deference to his administration."
I wouldn't assume they're going to half-ass it, either. As I said above, they don't HAVE to open an investigation at all, and announcing that they're going to do that is bound to enrage Schlump. Why arouse his ire unless they mean business?
I think the way the last strike went down (especially making a point of picking off the survivors, wtf?) may have pushed even some Republicans just a little too far. We'll have to wait and see what actually comes of this...but I think it's a hopeful sign of Schlump losing at least a little bit of GOP support in the House and Senate, which sounds like a pretty big deal to me!
Skittles
(168,842 posts)some things are so outrageous repukes know they have to be addressed - like this, the Epstein files......but what will come of it? Who knows with those fucking cowards - why would they care about the murder of these survivors any more than they care about the people they're deporting and dumping anywhere
ShazzieB
(22,033 posts)But all I was trying to say is that I think we should wait and see what happens, rather than immediately declare that the outcome is a foregone conclusion. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear.
I know I probably sound like a cockeyed optimist to some people (and I am, to some extent). But all the posts pooh-poohing these investigations sound like they were written by a flock of Chicken Littles to me, so it goes both ways.
The reason I'm just a little bit hopeful is that I've been seeing signs that a lot of Republicans, from politicians in Congress to rank and file voters, have been getting their fill of Trump lately. I read recently (sorry, can't remember where) that Republicans in the House are getting really, really worried about the midterms and how their chances of reelection are looking. They're genuinely-afraid of losing the House next year, and they are NOT happy about that. I think at least some of them may be questioning the wisdom of continuing to cheerfully rubber stamp every single crazy thing he does.
He's done a lot of crazy things since January 20, and opening these investigations is the closest I can remember Congress coming to sending a message that there's anything even a little big questionable about anything he's done. And thank the universe they have, because blowing up these so-called drug boats (on what appears to be little or no evidence) is arguably the most extreme thing he's done so far. 83 people have been killed in those attacks to date - in what appears to be cold blood - and the last one, where a direct order was given to kill survivors who were clinging to the wreckage, was a flat out, no bones about it, certified WAR CRIME. Consicering the way things have been going, I was pleasantly surprised when committees in both the House and Senate announced that they were going to open investigations.
Whatever happens from here is anybody's guess. If nothing else, i think there's a reasonable possibility of Hegseth getting thrown under the bus. That's one way they could appear to take a stand while still shielding their Dear Leader. It's not ideal, but I could live with it, to be honest. (Because, seriously, FUCK PETE HEGSETH!)
Whatever the outcome of these investigations may be, I'm sure it won't be exactly what any of us would wish, but the fact that committees in both Houses of Congress are opening investigations is not nothing, imo. At the very least, it's a bipartisan acknowledgement that something is Not Right, and to my way of thinking that's pretty significant in itself.
Skittles
(168,842 posts)I do know if repukes care about ANYTHING it is votes, but the way they're going about redrawing the lines it makes me think that, as usual, not much effort will be made to actually make the the GOP more appealing. But who knows.
As you said, we will see.
yaesu
(8,845 posts)Initech
(107,031 posts)And Fox News needs ratings!
Deminpenn
(17,206 posts)that are bringing bad publicity and edging out Trump for the spotlight. Upstaging Trump is the ultimate mistake. I'd bet they won't last a lot longer in their jobs.
LudwigPastorius
(13,920 posts)The GOP Congress is going to conclude that Trump & Hegseths murderous crimes are all perfectly legal.
ShazzieB
(22,033 posts)They don't HAVE to investigate anything. Nobody can make them. Anyone who is assuming the outcome of this is a foregone conclusion is jumping the gun, imo. Why not just ignore it, the way they've ignored all Schlump's other b.s?
I suggest reading the whole article to anyone who hasn't done so already. Like this part:
The leaders of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Mike D. Rogers (R-Alabama) and Rep. Adam Smith (D-Washington), followed suit late Saturday. In a brief joint statement, the pair said they are taking bipartisan action to gather a full accounting of the operation in question. The committee, they noted, is committed to providing rigorous oversight of the Department of Defenses military operations in the Caribbean.
Please note: the above statements are coming from both the GOP chair AND the Democratic ranking member of these committees. These sounds like bipartisan efforts to me. I know a lot of people here are prone to automatically expect the very worst from Republicans, always, and not without good reason. But why would Democrats go along with a phony investigation? Don't you think the Democrats on those committees would smell a rat of there was one to be smelled? I do.
I understand being suspicious, but just writing this off before its even gets started is a bridge too far to me. I think we should least keep am open mind and see what happens. If nothing else, I suspect that some of these Republican senators and reps have been hearing from concerned constituents about this crap (not to mention a million other things Schlump has done that no one is happy about).The reps will all be up for reelection next year, and a third of the senators will be as well. I think it's just barely possible that some of them are figuring out that continuing to silently support all of the Orange Hellbeast's decisions may hurt rather than help their chances for reelection.
LudwigPastorius
(13,920 posts)It's called getting ahead of the issue, or "cutting 'em off at the pass".
As far as the Dems on the committee endorsing it, it's a roll of the dice for them with little downside. Some bit of information just might come up that the GOP can't spin its way out of. If not, they can still hold a press conference when the final report is released and assert that the investigation was a whitewash.
thought crime
(1,066 posts)And their job is to protect Trump & Hegseth from any interference from the pesky press and Democrats.
ShazzieB
(22,033 posts)First of all, congressional committes are always chaired by a member of the majority party. That's what "Republican-led" means. However, each committee also includes a leader from the other party (called the "ranking member" ) and members from both parties. The announcements from both the House and Senate committees came from both the chair (GOP) and the ranking member (Democratic). In other words, these are bipartisan announcements.
Second, if the goal was just to protect Schlump, why open an investigation at all? No one can make them do that. I'd like to think that even Republicans (at least SOME of them) have a limit as to what they're willing to go along with, and that it's just barely possible that some of them may be reaching it, especially with the midterm ele lions drawing closer every day.
I'm in favor of keeping an open mind and waiting to see what happens. If that makes me a cockeyed optimist, so be it.
barbtries
(31,025 posts)what a novel concept.