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Polybius

(21,256 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:28 AM Sunday

Pope removes shoes but doesn't pray on visit to Istanbul's Blue Mosque

Source: Reuters

ISTANBUL, Nov 29 (Reuters) - Pope Leo visited Istanbul's Blue Mosque on Saturday, removing his shoes in a sign of respect but not appearing to pray in his first visit as leader of the Catholic Church to a Muslim place of worship during his four-day visit to Turkey.

The first U.S. pope bowed slightly before entering the mosque and was led on a tour of the expansive complex, able to hold 10,000 worshippers, by its imam and the mufti of Istanbul.

Leo, walking in white socks, smiled during the 20-minute visit and joked with one of his guides, the mosque's lead muezzin - the official who leads the daily calls to prayer.

The Vatican appeared surprised that Leo had not stopped to pray during the visit and that he had not been welcomed to the mosque by the head of Turkey's state-run religious organisation, known as the diyanet, as had been planned.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/pope-removes-shoes-doesnt-pray-visit-istanbuls-blue-mosque-2025-11-29/

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Pope removes shoes but doesn't pray on visit to Istanbul's Blue Mosque (Original Post) Polybius Sunday OP
Why would the pope pray at a mosque? RandySF Sunday #1
His precedessors did, and the Vatican press release had expected him to muriel_volestrangler Sunday #5
Only in recent years Polybius Sunday #14
It said he wasn't invited to pray IbogaProject Sunday #17
" he asked Leo during the tour if he wished to pray for a moment, but the pope said he preferred to just visit" muriel_volestrangler Sunday #22
It may have had something to do with the way that the invitation was extended. lapucelle Sunday #26
It was simply a gesture of love and respect... ananda Sunday #2
When I was escorted into a mosque Zackzzzz Sunday #3
what i did not know : shoes of the fisherman rampartd Sunday #4
I think Peter DID fish in Louisiana. COL Mustard Sunday #9
"Not appearing to pray..." Mike Nelson Sunday #6
In the early 2000s I took off my shoes in the Blue Mosque truthisfreedom Sunday #7
The only time I've been in a mosque, I didn't pray either MurrayDelph Sunday #11
The more interesting part for me was the diyanet did not meet with him. Joinfortmill Sunday #8
Being an atheist makes all of this senseless. kellytore Sunday #10
But you couldn't help but put your two cents in. Martin68 Sunday #13
My two cents are in too. We are up to four. Believers are upset when confronted but non-believers are cast as being odd. twodogsbarking Sunday #16
Surprise, I'm an atheist too. Martin68 Sunday #32
I have learned to not try and explain what I do not understand. Atheist seems to be a religious label. twodogsbarking Sunday #34
My statement was a little more that what you wrote, but that's okay I'll forgive you. kellytore 20 hrs ago #36
All a big to do about nothing? paleotn Sunday #29
Cents and sensibility. Beartracks Sunday #30
Why wouldn't the Pope pray during a visit to a mosque? Martin68 Sunday #12
Maybe he thought a Catholic praying in a mosque would have been sacrilegious jmowreader Sunday #31
If the Pope is his god's representative, then he can pray wherever he happens to be. If a mosque somehow magically Martin68 Sunday #33
This message was self-deleted by its author kellytore 20 hrs ago #37
Religions sure have nice buildings. twodogsbarking Sunday #15
So do many museums, the Red Cross and both political parties. What's your point? Wonder Why Sunday #18
Religions have nice buildings. They really are. twodogsbarking Sunday #19
You're right. That's why they put them on Christmas cards! Wonder Why Sunday #23
Yep, they're built for humans within them to feel the glory of God. ancianita Sunday #25
Since he wasn't invited to (by the person who didn't come) maybe it would have been pnwmom Sunday #20
Beat me to it. My thoughts as well. paleotn Sunday #28
I don't buy that. They both believe in one god, and they both believe on prayer. Martin68 Sunday #35
I don't think they expect Christians and Jews to join in the prayers when they visit Warpy Sunday #21
Neither did I! Floyd R. Turbo Sunday #24
I interpret this as the Pope sending a message blue-wave Sunday #27

muriel_volestrangler

(105,325 posts)
5. His precedessors did, and the Vatican press release had expected him to
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:53 AM
Sunday

From the BBC report:

The Pontiff was seen bowing as he entered the building, but it is reported he did not pray at the mosque, as his two predecessors had done.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gp917zr8no

From Reuters:

The Vatican appeared surprised that Leo had not stopped to pray during the visit and that he had not been welcomed to the mosque by the head of Turkey's state-run religious organisation, known as the diyanet, as had been planned.

About three hours after the visit, the Vatican released a press statement saying both the prayer and the welcome had occurred, although they had not. The Vatican press office said the release had been sent in error.

Askin Musa Tunca, the muezzin, told journalists after the mosque visit that he asked Leo during the tour if he wished to pray for a moment, but the pope said he preferred to just visit the mosque.

Polybius

(21,256 posts)
14. Only in recent years
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:44 AM
Sunday

The only two to do it were Pope Francis in 2014, and Pope Benedict XVI in 2006. Perhaps he thought they were wrong to do so.

IbogaProject

(5,478 posts)
17. It said he wasn't invited to pray
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:59 AM
Sunday

So it may be more a reflection of the hosts than the Pope or his group.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,325 posts)
22. " he asked Leo during the tour if he wished to pray for a moment, but the pope said he preferred to just visit"
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:17 PM
Sunday

So I can't understand your post.

lapucelle

(20,924 posts)
26. It may have had something to do with the way that the invitation was extended.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:40 PM
Sunday

Praying at a mosque and worshiping at a mosque are two different things.

“I offered [to] him, if he would like to worship here, but he said ‘no, I am just going to look around,” Tunca said afterwards, explaining that “they told me” the pope was going to “pray here”.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/29/europe/pope-leo-istanbul-blue-mosque-intl

Leo did not pray at the mosque despite an invitation by an imam. Speaking to reporters after the visit, Asgin Tunca said he had told the pope that the mosque was "Allah's house."

"It's not my house, not your house, (it's the) house of Allah," he said. He said he told Leo: "'If you want, you can worship here,' I said. But he said, 'That's OK.'"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pope-leo-xiv-travel-blue-mosque-istanbul-turkey/


ananda

(34,144 posts)
2. It was simply a gesture of love and respect...
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 03:30 AM
Sunday

This reminds me of John Xxiii's ecumenical spirit.

Love

rampartd

(3,226 posts)
4. what i did not know : shoes of the fisherman
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 05:31 AM
Sunday

if peter had fished in louisiana the popes would need a pair of white rubber shrimp boots.

leo wears black shoes,, as did francis.

benedict wore the traditional red shoes until his retirement, when he changed to black.

COL Mustard

(7,875 posts)
9. I think Peter DID fish in Louisiana.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:05 AM
Sunday

After all, Cajun cuisine has the Holy Trinity, and if you've ever had crawdads and gumbo, you have probably had a religious experience. And don't get me going on the joys of a good Sazerac!

Mike Nelson

(10,869 posts)
6. "Not appearing to pray..."
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:04 AM
Sunday

... seems like a better way to explain. He was likely praying frequently, to himself. The phrase that caught me eye was "Turkey's state-run" religion. Maybe the Pope didn't want to participate in that country's "state-run" religion?

truthisfreedom

(23,499 posts)
7. In the early 2000s I took off my shoes in the Blue Mosque
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 06:10 AM
Sunday

and didn’t pray either, but then again, I’m an atheist.

MurrayDelph

(5,700 posts)
11. The only time I've been in a mosque, I didn't pray either
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 10:56 AM
Sunday

It was in early 2017. President Miller had just issued his first Muslim ban. I went to Portland and brought cookies purchased from a Muslim bakery.

(and I lean more agnostic; until someone shows proof, I don't think there's a higher being, but I'm willing to give a looksee if the evidence is strong)

Joinfortmill

(19,701 posts)
8. The more interesting part for me was the diyanet did not meet with him.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:40 AM
Sunday

There might be a story there, or not. But, interesting and notable.

twodogsbarking

(17,080 posts)
16. My two cents are in too. We are up to four. Believers are upset when confronted but non-believers are cast as being odd.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:51 AM
Sunday

Martin68

(26,755 posts)
32. Surprise, I'm an atheist too.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:36 PM
Sunday

Last edited Tue Dec 2, 2025, 02:48 PM - Edit history (1)

I just don't understand why an atheist would feel the need to respond to a post with just the statement they are an atheist. Kinda dumb, in my book. And I am interested in what motivates people who believe on religion.

twodogsbarking

(17,080 posts)
34. I have learned to not try and explain what I do not understand. Atheist seems to be a religious label.
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:41 PM
Sunday

I'm not into any of it.

Martin68

(26,755 posts)
33. If the Pope is his god's representative, then he can pray wherever he happens to be. If a mosque somehow magically
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 09:40 PM
Sunday

blocks his prayer from his god, or invalidates it, then why his he there in the first place? Seems to me the Abrahamic religions share the same deity, whether or not they believe in the same forms of religious practice. I have a little less respect for this pope as a result.

Response to Martin68 (Reply #33)

pnwmom

(110,168 posts)
20. Since he wasn't invited to (by the person who didn't come) maybe it would have been
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 01:55 PM
Sunday

disrespectful to pray publicly.

They don't know that he didn't pray silently.

Warpy

(114,293 posts)
21. I don't think they expect Christians and Jews to join in the prayers when they visit
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 02:12 PM
Sunday

Just having a Pope visit a mosque is a pretty big deal. Leo seems to be pissing off the rest of the hidebound hierarchy nicely.

blue-wave

(4,792 posts)
27. I interpret this as the Pope sending a message
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 04:54 PM
Sunday

against the anti-Christian Erdogan regime. In 2020 Erdogan converted the Hagia Sophia (Once the Byzantine Roman Empire's Cathedral) to a mosque. The site of Hagia Sophia was the center of Eastern Orthodox Christianity since the first church was built on the site in 360 AD. In 537 AD the Hagia Sophia was completed and was an architectural marvel as the largest interior space in the world. When the Muslims defeated the Byzantines at Constantinople (now Istanbul) in 1453 AD, the Hagia converted to a mosque. But in 1935 it converted to a museum by the Turkish government under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, aiming to promote secularism and cultural heritage in the newly established Republic of Turkey. This change allowed it to serve as a symbol of interfaith harmony and a historical site accessible to all, regardless of religion. Erdogan is changing all that.

https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-134/the-hagia-sophia-case/

Now, Christians cannot pray on or enter the main floor of the Hagia Sophia and must pay admission to enter the Hagia, unlike Muslims who pay no admittance fee. There's much more to the story of what's happening in Turkey and elsewhere which would require many hours of deep-dive investigating. If you're interested, I highly recommend looking into this.

BTW, the Hagia Sophia is a short walk down the street from the blue mosque.

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