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chowder66

(10,642 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:08 PM Yesterday

Headline Changed: Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants

Source: ABC News

Mistakenly deported Salvadoran native Kilmar Abrego Garcia is on his way back to the United States where he will face criminal charges for allegedly transporting undocumented migrants within the U.S., according to sources familiar with the matter.

More than two months after the Trump administration admitted it mistakenly deported Abrego Garcia from Maryland to his native El Salvador, a federal grand jury has indicted him for allegedly transporting undocumented migrants within the United States, ABC News has learned.

A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

The alleged conspiracy spanned nearly a decade and involved the domestic transport of thousands of non-citizens, including some children, from Mexico and Central America.

more at link.....


Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/mistakenly-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-back-us-face/story?id=121333122&cid=social_twitter_abcn

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Headline Changed: Kilmar Abrego Garcia back in US to face charges of helping traffic 'thousands' of migrants (Original Post) chowder66 Yesterday OP
TACO? Sneederbunk Yesterday #1
Nacho Cheese Doritos Locos with extra beef TACO SSJVegeta 23 hrs ago #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Bengus81 23 hrs ago #31
Wait! Wasn't it Ron DeSatan who did that thing? rzemanfl Yesterday #2
Yes! Good point! SunSeeker Yesterday #5
And TX gov too BonnieJW Yesterday #12
Blatant selective prosecution! SunSeeker Yesterday #14
It's not only blatant and weaponized choie 22 hrs ago #48
Of course it's BULLSHIT. Conjuay 8 hrs ago #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Conjuay 8 hrs ago #83
I would subpoena the governors of Florida and Texas if I were defending the guy. rzemanfl 23 hrs ago #21
Where are all the kids that were trafficked to pseudo-religious loonies and , , , other nightmare elements? NBachers 14 hrs ago #81
Wow..finally Demovictory9 Yesterday #3
Did they find something or did they manufacture something ? magicarpet Yesterday #4
My guess: the tatoos they had added to his hand have healed enough that they don't show as brand new Attilatheblond 23 hrs ago #32
Manufactured. intheflow 23 hrs ago #35
The indictment is close to a joke... appmanga 15 hrs ago #79
I figure that's why it took them so long... ananda 23 hrs ago #38
My first thought, too ... ificandream 21 hrs ago #54
The claims have been "out there"--with video and court docs--for a while. Igel 20 hrs ago #67
How are they going to prove he knew they were undocumented? SunSeeker Yesterday #6
Tell all the other immigrants to testify against him so they won't be sent off to a horrible prison in another country? chowder66 Yesterday #13
Not a criminal in the least wolfie001 Yesterday #7
Uh-huh. Right. AZJonnie Yesterday #8
Total bullsh*t. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #9
I thought the DOJ told the courts they couldn't get him back. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #10
Just another of DOJ's lies in court. WestMichRad 21 hrs ago #52
What nonsense is this? angrychair Yesterday #11
I hope he gets a very good lawyer FakeNoose Yesterday #16
So why not just have this trial to begin with? JBTaurus83 Yesterday #15
It does sound like a set up. chowder66 Yesterday #18
Now bring back the other guy! tonekat Yesterday #17
The Immigrant Defenders Law Center is fighting for his return. chowder66 23 hrs ago #20
How about a jury trial otchmoson 23 hrs ago #19
He needs supported not just for him but for us all. I am assuming a swimming pool full of attorneys twodogsbarking 23 hrs ago #22
The top graduates from Harvard law school would be a nice touch rurallib 23 hrs ago #33
I like how you think! sheshe2 17 hrs ago #73
Bondi--What a joke! otchmoson 23 hrs ago #23
It also sounded like she was attempting to the try the case in the press... the nelm 22 hrs ago #50
She's a fool either way BOSSHOG 21 hrs ago #62
So they manufactured a reason? LittleGirl 23 hrs ago #24
It took them two months to fabricate the evidence and coach witnesses to lie. Irish_Dem 23 hrs ago #27
I'm thinking that's the case as I've suggested twice in the thread. AND they are holding a press conference right now chowder66 23 hrs ago #28
So they manufactured a reason? Botany 8 hrs ago #84
Well now we know he wasn't.... reACTIONary 23 hrs ago #26
The closed jury indictment still references M-13. intheflow 23 hrs ago #37
OK, well at least they will be required to... reACTIONary 21 hrs ago #57
According to the White House press conference he is evil incarnate. scarletlib 23 hrs ago #29
Perfect, scarletlib! some_of_us_are_sane 22 hrs ago #41
Im sure Ollie Garkie 23 hrs ago #30
was there any pictures of his hands to see if the alleged tattoos rurallib 23 hrs ago #34
First a 13 member; now a COYOTE Sessuch 20 hrs ago #65
Sounds like a a weak case fujiyamasan 23 hrs ago #36
They need to bring back the 209 people deported without due process, too Deuxcents 21 hrs ago #61
Why weren't they saying this all along? After it was determined he was mistakenly deported, they attempted to tulipsandroses 23 hrs ago #39
For those who are curious... here's the body cam of the incident. WarGamer 22 hrs ago #40
Is that headline correct? BaronChocula 22 hrs ago #42
That's what it said when I posted it. It has changed but it's in the first paragraph now. chowder66 22 hrs ago #46
My question definitely wasn't to criticize you BaronChocula 21 hrs ago #58
Oh I didn't take it that way. I'm glad you mentioned it because they change their headlines all the time. chowder66 21 hrs ago #59
I believe we are about Littlered 22 hrs ago #43
He ran an illegal immigrant trafficking organization from Maryland?? Doesn't that seem a little unlikely?? Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #44
It smells. chowder66 22 hrs ago #45
Knowing this DOJ, he was probably just an Uber driver. ToxMarz 21 hrs ago #55
There are other WmChris 22 hrs ago #47
His problem is he chose the wrong crimes... BurnDoubt 22 hrs ago #49
It's another Taco un Pollo Friday. Hassler 22 hrs ago #51
From the article....abrupt departure of Ben Schrader chowder66 21 hrs ago #53
If I'm on that jury I'm voting not guilty. OrlandoDem2 21 hrs ago #56
"transporting undocumented immigrants" rampartd 21 hrs ago #60
He said he was driving workers from the job site they were on in St. Louis. chowder66 21 hrs ago #64
TACO chickened out again? It was 'no way/impossible' that Kilmar would be brought back? Norrrm 21 hrs ago #63
Yeah. No. Dyedinthewoolliberal 20 hrs ago #66
What sucks is that there will be no jury trial about the deportation so it won't come into the trial for trafficking. chowder66 20 hrs ago #68
He's cooked k_buddy762 19 hrs ago #69
Then DeSantis needs to be brought up on the same charges travelingthrulife 19 hrs ago #70
Total bullshit. Trumpdumper 18 hrs ago #71
They're playing this up for the stupids in the base that believe anything they say. Baitball Blogger 18 hrs ago #72
Thousands? BidenRocks 16 hrs ago #74
So what were the red state Governors doing when they put Figarosmom 15 hrs ago #75
"Thousands" of migrants? Jeebo 15 hrs ago #76
My guess is that this case will eventually fall apart. Justice Brandeis 15 hrs ago #77
Yep. Get a load of this.... chowder66 15 hrs ago #78
This of course is bullshit on its face Picaro 15 hrs ago #80
Are we sure he didn't traffic millions and millions? twodogsbarking 7 hrs ago #85
"A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich" Heard it before but had to look it up Bengus81 7 hrs ago #86
LIES, 100% ALL LIES! lark 5 hrs ago #87
This is Explosive! This Guy Was Smuggling ALIENS! DrFunkenstein 4 hrs ago #88
This is such a BULLSHIT charge! Jilly_in_VA 3 hrs ago #89

Response to SSJVegeta (Reply #25)

Response to choie (Reply #48)

NBachers

(18,544 posts)
81. Where are all the kids that were trafficked to pseudo-religious loonies and , , , other nightmare elements?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 12:55 AM
14 hrs ago

magicarpet

(18,394 posts)
4. Did they find something or did they manufacture something ?
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:16 PM
Yesterday

Then Team trDUMP can wash their hands and exonerate themselves of any wrong doings involving this illegal deportation without due process, just cause, or reason ?

Attilatheblond

(6,112 posts)
32. My guess: the tatoos they had added to his hand have healed enough that they don't show as brand new
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:19 PM
23 hrs ago

Trump gotta save face for showing that photo shopped 'evidence'

intheflow

(29,571 posts)
35. Manufactured.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:31 PM
23 hrs ago

The big ding on his history was that he was driving a car with, I can't remember exactly, maybe 5-10 people. They were driving to a work site many miles away, and his license had expired. He was let off with a warning. This indictment came about just last week in a secret closed jury, as the regime is trying to cover their asses. They're still claiming he has ties to M-13, though the indictment doesn't provide any proof.

Here's the link to the court doc: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621.3.0.pdf

appmanga

(1,155 posts)
79. The indictment is close to a joke...
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 12:34 AM
15 hrs ago

...it accuses some people of getting money through wire transfers, but none of the those persons are Abrego-Garcia. The only thing they have that's solid is the Tennessee traffic stop, where none of the persons in the car other than Abrego-Garcia were identified.

This might not get laughed out of court, but if Abrego-Garcia has any kind of competent legal representation this case is going nowhere.

ananda

(31,987 posts)
38. I figure that's why it took them so long...
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:36 PM
23 hrs ago

to figure out how to game the system to make
Garcia a criminal in order to justify deporations
at will with no due process.

Igel

(36,793 posts)
67. The claims have been "out there"--with video and court docs--for a while.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 07:07 PM
20 hrs ago

Silos.

You're wheat.

This was in the triticale silo.

SunSeeker

(55,945 posts)
6. How are they going to prove he knew they were undocumented?
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:19 PM
Yesterday

Indeed, how are they going to prove his passengers were indeed here illegally at that moment in time?

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
13. Tell all the other immigrants to testify against him so they won't be sent off to a horrible prison in another country?
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:30 PM
Yesterday

My guess is that they stalled until they got enough to agree to lie for them.

But I'm getting really conspiracy minded lately because of the creepy fucks in charge.

Hopefully, lawyers for Kilmer will blow holes in any testimony.

AZJonnie

(855 posts)
8. Uh-huh. Right.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:22 PM
Yesterday

Funny how the charges were just filed last month, isn't it? He probably like picked up his cousins at the border one time or some shit.

angrychair

(10,686 posts)
11. What nonsense is this?
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:28 PM
Yesterday

Last edited Fri Jun 6, 2025, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

They have NEVER said this once. I thought he was some dangerous gang leader from New York? Not he was smuggling people across the country?
He should sue the government for slander and defamation.

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
18. It does sound like a set up.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:43 PM
Yesterday

They are trying to make the 2002 traffic stop with all the workers in his truck the basis for this.
He was driving a bunch of workers and the Tennessee troopers thought it looked like trafficking but they let him go per the FBI's direction.

My guess is that they have pressured some of these other workers or other people to testify by threatening them with prison in another country using Kilmar's treatment as an example. So now they have their case.

Here is some cagey information about the stop...

https://www.theohiopressnetwork.com/news/us/fbi-directs-all-questions-regarding-kilmar-abrego-garcia-to-other-agencies/article_27325c0b-0c02-4528-9f83-ce09e1e7f9c8.html

tonekat

(2,234 posts)
17. Now bring back the other guy!
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:42 PM
Yesterday

Andry Hernandez Romero

Last I heard a judge dismissed his asylum case.

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
20. The Immigrant Defenders Law Center is fighting for his return.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 03:51 PM
23 hrs ago

SAN DIEGO, CA -- On May 27, 2025, one day prior to a scheduled court hearing, Immigration Judge Paula Dixon granted the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)’s motion to dismiss asylum proceedings for Andry José Hernández Romero. Andry is a 32-year-old Venezuelan man imprisoned - at the U.S. government’s direction and expense - at El Salvador’s notorious CECOT mega-prison. Andry is a gifted makeup artist and actor who came to the United States in 2024 seeking asylum from persecution in Venezuela related to his sexual orientation and political beliefs. DHS claimed Andry’s tattoos connect him to the Tren de Aragua gang but never afforded Andry or his legal team the opportunity to rebut the baseless allegations in court. Andry has no criminal history in his home country or the United States.

--------------

“DHS is doing everything it can to erase the fact that Andry came to the United States seeking asylum and he was denied due process as required by our Constitution. We should all be incredibly alarmed at what has happened in Andry’s case. The idea that the government can disappear you because of your tattoos, and never even give you a day in court, should send a chill down the spine of every American. If this can happen to Andry, it can happen to any one of us.

The dismissal of his asylum claim is not the end of Andry’s story. Andry’s life depends on us holding the Trump administration accountable for what they have done to him. The fight for justice for Andry, our seven other ImmDef clients imprisoned at CECOT, and all the men unjustly disappeared continues with renewed determination today. We will continue to fight until Andry is safe and free.”

https://www.immdef.org/blog/andryasylumcase52925

twodogsbarking

(13,880 posts)
22. He needs supported not just for him but for us all. I am assuming a swimming pool full of attorneys
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:04 PM
23 hrs ago

are waiting file suits on his behalf. The evidence seems to support that he was fucked.

otchmoson

(113 posts)
23. Bondi--What a joke!
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:05 PM
23 hrs ago

Today at a press conference she talks about Abrego Garcia's crimes and due process. A few weeks ago, she looked into the camera and said, "He's never coming back. He'll never set foot on American soil again." Perhaps she should remember the old saying: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

the nelm

(93 posts)
50. It also sounded like she was attempting to the try the case in the press...
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 05:36 PM
22 hrs ago

by piling on with all that other krap she spouted versus just reporting that he'd been returned and reciting the actual crimes he would be charged with.

BOSSHOG

(42,629 posts)
62. She's a fool either way
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:26 PM
21 hrs ago

A horrible treasonous bastard with no concern for her future. Shoo in candidate for disbarment.

LittleGirl

(8,752 posts)
24. So they manufactured a reason?
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:06 PM
23 hrs ago

Isn’t it so obvious?
It took two months to come up with this b.s. charge.

Come on. This is political nonsense.

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
28. I'm thinking that's the case as I've suggested twice in the thread. AND they are holding a press conference right now
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:10 PM
23 hrs ago

Pam Bondi replied to a reporter that this is based on "recently found facts".


Botany

(74,339 posts)
84. So they manufactured a reason?
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 07:23 AM
8 hrs ago

Yup.

Btw if these were real charges why didn’t they just put him on trial in
the United States in the first place?

I hope he has a good lawyer and sues the hell out of those bastards.

reACTIONary

(6,453 posts)
26. Well now we know he wasn't....
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:07 PM
23 hrs ago

... a gang member, if this is all they've got on him.

He's probably got a good case for asylum, since going back to El Salvador now would not be good for his health.

scarletlib

(3,539 posts)
29. According to the White House press conference he is evil incarnate.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:11 PM
23 hrs ago

I am surprised that he hasn’t been charged with driving in the last 2 nails into Jesus at the Crucifixion.

rurallib

(63,795 posts)
34. was there any pictures of his hands to see if the alleged tattoos
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:22 PM
23 hrs ago

were on his fingers? I tried to look but saw nothing

fujiyamasan

(241 posts)
36. Sounds like a a weak case
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:35 PM
23 hrs ago

I’d have to wonder if the case was so strong, why not indict him in the first place? This is another example of Trump wanting to deport just to make the numbers, due process be damned.

I’m making no judgement on garcia’s guilt or innocence. Maybe he’s not a great person. It really doesn’t matter. At least now Garcia won’t be rotting away in that prison in El Salvador and will have his day in court. I’m glad the courts haven’t completely given in (yet).

tulipsandroses

(7,325 posts)
39. Why weren't they saying this all along? After it was determined he was mistakenly deported, they attempted to
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:40 PM
23 hrs ago

smear him with the altercation with his wife. That did not stick. Gang member did not stick. So now he was smuggling women and children. Very predictable.

BaronChocula

(2,807 posts)
42. Is that headline correct?
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:49 PM
22 hrs ago

Was he MISTAKENLY deported or WRONGLY deported. I would say the latter.

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
46. That's what it said when I posted it. It has changed but it's in the first paragraph now.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 05:23 PM
22 hrs ago

I have updated the headline.

BaronChocula

(2,807 posts)
58. My question definitely wasn't to criticize you
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:07 PM
21 hrs ago

And thanks for posting by the way.
ABC New should have known better.



chowder66

(10,642 posts)
59. Oh I didn't take it that way. I'm glad you mentioned it because they change their headlines all the time.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:14 PM
21 hrs ago

It's annoying.

Littlered

(300 posts)
43. I believe we are about
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 04:58 PM
22 hrs ago

To see the unintended consequences of bringing him back for his “due process.” I hope I am wrong, but based the brief amount I just read at cnn. I have a feeling his life is going to take a substantial turn for the worse now. I never really understood why he was incarcerated down there in the first place. Does anyone here know why?

Scrivener7

(55,920 posts)
44. He ran an illegal immigrant trafficking organization from Maryland?? Doesn't that seem a little unlikely??
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 05:18 PM
22 hrs ago

Not buying it for a second.

WmChris

(333 posts)
47. There are other
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 05:24 PM
22 hrs ago

How about the Texas caravans I believe they transported immigrants leagal or otherwise into the interior. The way they were herded onto buses they couldn't have very well vetted, especially since the whole idea was to own the libs with major influxes of immigrants.

BurnDoubt

(596 posts)
49. His problem is he chose the wrong crimes...
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 05:34 PM
22 hrs ago

He should have stolen some classified documents and stored them in his shitter, or grabbed a woman's pussy... or... or..."colluded" with Russia, Russia, Russia. They may be right... maybe it IS all about "choices".
In any case, it would have been better for him if he intimidated the Press and Congress and appointed his own Judges.

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
53. From the article....abrupt departure of Ben Schrader
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 05:55 PM
21 hrs ago

The decision to pursue the indictment against Abrego Garcia led to the abrupt departure of Ben Schrader, a high-ranking federal prosecutor in Tennessee, sources briefed on Schrader's decision told ABC News. Schrader's resignation was prompted by concerns that the case was being pursued for political reasons, the sources said.

Schrader, who spent 15 years in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Nashville and was most recently the chief of the criminal division, declined to comment when contacted by ABC News.

rampartd

(1,916 posts)
60. "transporting undocumented immigrants"
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:17 PM
21 hrs ago

could be as simple as giving a neighbor a ride to work.

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
64. He said he was driving workers from the job site they were on in St. Louis.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:42 PM
21 hrs ago

Someone like a boss or a colleague could have asked him to drive them to the next job site. They didn't have any luggage which is why the trooper suspected trafficking but that still doesn't mean that Kilmar was aware. He was just driving them to a drop off point it seems. Supposedly the FBI told the TN troopers to let him go but that's all getting really sketchy. They say to talk to TN and TN supposedly hasn't released all of the video where they are talking to Federal agents.

Norrrm

(1,790 posts)
63. TACO chickened out again? It was 'no way/impossible' that Kilmar would be brought back?
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 06:33 PM
21 hrs ago

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,109 posts)
66. Yeah. No.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 07:05 PM
20 hrs ago

"Oh, look what we just found! Something from 3 years ago. This will reduce our collective embarrassment when Garcia gets released because we don't have a case. People will forget we seized and deported him without due process"

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
68. What sucks is that there will be no jury trial about the deportation so it won't come into the trial for trafficking.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 07:30 PM
20 hrs ago

k_buddy762

(606 posts)
69. He's cooked
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 08:34 PM
19 hrs ago

The smuggling charges will be rough, but the federal conspiracy charges are what's going to put him away for a long time. If the evidence that is alleged to exist is real. They'll get him on RICO.

Trumpdumper

(194 posts)
71. Total bullshit.
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 09:24 PM
18 hrs ago

30-minute deliberation if DOJ is stupid enough to allow its "case" come to that. Not-guilty verdict. This is so abominable.

Figarosmom

(6,086 posts)
75. So what were the red state Governors doing when they put
Fri Jun 6, 2025, 11:48 PM
15 hrs ago

Last edited Sat Jun 7, 2025, 12:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Immigrants on busses and sent them all over the country? They paid for it so they should also be charges with transporting.

chowder66

(10,642 posts)
78. Yep. Get a load of this....
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 12:20 AM
15 hrs ago

Bondi DOJ has a problem.

On left:

DOJ Indictment and Detention Memo allege Abrego Garcia lied to officer by not revealing he was coming from Texas

On right:

DHS Referral Report: "Subject stated he was driving 'three days ago' (11/27/2022) from Houston, TX to Temple Hills, MD (via St Louis, MO)"

Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw.bsky.social) 2025-06-07T00:56:34.746Z

Picaro

(2,013 posts)
80. This of course is bullshit on its face
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 12:34 AM
15 hrs ago

This is like the Nixon era.

Look up the Chicago Seven sometime. American injustice at its best.

We got spoiled by the Burger court. We had, for a brief moment in time, a Supreme Court that was actually interested in advancing justice and expanding Constitutional protections to what were actually intended (but not for slaves—that had to wait until after the Civil War). That time, unfortunately, didn’t last.

The SC is now issuing rulings without regard to the Constitution, the law, or any sort of logic.

Bengus81

(8,876 posts)
86. "A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich" Heard it before but had to look it up
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 08:36 AM
7 hrs ago

to make sure I had it right. And...that's what they've done here

lark

(25,106 posts)
87. LIES, 100% ALL LIES!
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 09:47 AM
5 hrs ago

If it were true they would have mentioned it before, but now they've got their made up story fabricated, it's what they are going with this time.

DrFunkenstein

(8,776 posts)
88. This is Explosive! This Guy Was Smuggling ALIENS!
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 11:28 AM
4 hrs ago

Forget about Area 51, this is the biggest news since X Files first hit the airwaves!

What secrets about the aliens does this man know!?! Who built the pyramids!?!

Jilly_in_VA

(12,044 posts)
89. This is such a BULLSHIT charge!
Sat Jun 7, 2025, 12:09 PM
3 hrs ago

He was driving back from a construction job with what, six other guys in a van? JFRC, how is this smuggling "thousands" of migrants? this smells like really old TACOS!!!!!!!

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