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Ranting Randy

(377 posts)
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:11 AM May 2025

'Incorrect!' Kristi Noem shamed on live TV for ignorance about habeas corpus

Source: Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing,

"Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country and suspend their right to," Noem began before being interrupted.

"No, let me stop you, ma'am," Hassan remarked. "That's incorrect."

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/kristi-noem-habeas-corpus/



I think Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) must file a writ of "Habeaus Braineus" against DHS Secretary Kristi Noem and force her to "produce her brain"
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'Incorrect!' Kristi Noem shamed on live TV for ignorance about habeas corpus (Original Post) Ranting Randy May 2025 OP
Has Noem even read the Constitution? Bayard May 2025 #1
At the very least she should have a dictionary of legal terminology FakeNoose May 2025 #20
She thinks it has something to do with mornings and.... MiHale May 2025 #21
Dangerous incompetence at the highest levels of government Mysterian May 2025 #2
Next time JustAnotherGen May 2025 #3
If she doesn't know what "habeus corpus" is that's frightening Docreed2003 May 2025 #4
Well, Her Boss RobinA May 2025 #10
She knows what it is. She is lying so the MAGA base never understands what is happening until it is far too late LiberalLoner May 2025 #13
Exactly Docreed2003 May 2025 #14
Wow!!! MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #5
Until George W. Bush came along, I didn't realize how easy it was for so many talentless people Aristus May 2025 #6
Oh, come on now!!! Little Kristi 'sposed to be able to flash her plastic smile and get away with anything because she's hamsterjill May 2025 #15
And a governor of a state before that muriel_volestrangler May 2025 #16
Thank you, Sen. Maggie Hassan. republianmushroom May 2025 #7
King Donald John of Runnygreed and his thugs best learn quick what it means Ponietz May 2025 #22
She just lies and talks over senators louis-t May 2025 #8
I think it is not that she doesn't know...she is lying to make the MAGA base believe LiberalLoner May 2025 #12
I was just calling her a ghoul johnnyfins May 2025 #9
It's hard to believe she is that ignorant of the law...and hasn't been appointed Attorney General by Trump. Yet. Midnight Writer May 2025 #11
I disagree. They're all playing dumb and have evil intentions. Oneironaut May 2025 #17
She thinks that Habeus Corpuse is a privledge that we enjoy at the pleasure of the President ToxMarz May 2025 #18
She got a brain transplant swong19104 May 2025 #19
Maddow Blog-Kristi Noem flunks an important test on the basic meaning of habeas corpus LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #23
Our country is in the hands of the stupidest people alive for a 24/7 reality show. Initech May 2025 #24
There's something oddly creepy about Kristi Noem who didn't get her Bachelors Degree until she was 41 online LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #25
I see we still don't understand, Eliot Rosewater May 2025 #26

Bayard

(28,568 posts)
1. Has Noem even read the Constitution?
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:16 AM
May 2025

The head of DHS and she doesn't know the simplest things. Well, other than how to shoot a dog and a goat.

FakeNoose

(40,163 posts)
20. At the very least she should have a dictionary of legal terminology
Tue May 20, 2025, 12:16 PM
May 2025

... I mean, since she has no law degree.

Mysterian

(6,175 posts)
2. Dangerous incompetence at the highest levels of government
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:17 AM
May 2025

This is the USA under the make-up splattered con-man.

JustAnotherGen

(37,555 posts)
3. Next time
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:21 AM
May 2025

She should bring Stephen Miller along with her. Ditto Pam Bondi. They are just spokesmodels for his administration.

Docreed2003

(18,709 posts)
4. If she doesn't know what "habeus corpus" is that's frightening
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:25 AM
May 2025

What I think is happening is even more unsettling. Noem is intentionally performing for an audience of one. She is intentionally muddying the waters in service to Trump and that should be frightening to every American that cares about maintaining our democracy.

LiberalLoner

(11,467 posts)
13. She knows what it is. She is lying so the MAGA base never understands what is happening until it is far too late
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:29 AM
May 2025

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,716 posts)
5. Wow!!!
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:30 AM
May 2025

Is she really that fucking stupid?
As the head of DHS, has she not read the Constitution?
Did she not take a Civics 101 class in school?

I love how Sen. Hassan humiliated her on her ignorant lack of knowledge of one of the basic tenants of our Constitution and wouldn't let her spew her lies.
Noem showed just how infit she is for any office up to and including dog catcher judging by her past actions regarding a dog, but for that very reason, she fits right in with the criminal org. in the WH right now.

Aristus

(71,647 posts)
6. Until George W. Bush came along, I didn't realize how easy it was for so many talentless people
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:34 AM
May 2025

to fail upward so high, and stay there for so long.

We're living in a crapsack country.

hamsterjill

(16,983 posts)
15. Oh, come on now!!! Little Kristi 'sposed to be able to flash her plastic smile and get away with anything because she's
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:34 AM
May 2025

So cute!!! She can't be 'spected to bother her pretty little, inflatable head with reading some legal jargon!!!

Sarcasm, of course.

And I apologize in advance as I am a defiant feminist. But you can just read this bimbo's thoughts like they are bubbling up over her head like Snoopy and Charlie Brown.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,558 posts)
16. And a governor of a state before that
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:34 AM
May 2025

Plus this has been a topic of discussion for weeks. If the head of the DHS was too ignorant to already know it, and then too lazy to google it, it's incredibly damning.

republianmushroom

(22,122 posts)
7. Thank you, Sen. Maggie Hassan.
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:37 AM
May 2025

"Habeas corpus is the legal principle that requires that the government provide a public reason for detaining and imprisoning people," she continued. "If not for that protection, the government could simply arrest people, including American citizens, and hold them indefinitely for no reason."

Ponietz

(4,227 posts)
22. King Donald John of Runnygreed and his thugs best learn quick what it means
Tue May 20, 2025, 12:47 PM
May 2025

Charles the First didn’t need no stinkin Magna Carta so a fellow named Oliver Cromwell taught him the hard way.

louis-t

(24,575 posts)
8. She just lies and talks over senators
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:49 AM
May 2025

with her prepared talking points, rhetoric and just plain bullshit. Never answers a question. Keeps claiming they are following "the law" and judges' orders, when they clearly are not. If Dems can ever get power back, the trials will last a decade or more.

LiberalLoner

(11,467 posts)
12. I think it is not that she doesn't know...she is lying to make the MAGA base believe
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:27 AM
May 2025

Habeus Corpus is what she says it is, not what it actually is.

The base is stupid and ignorant enough to believe that.

johnnyfins

(3,439 posts)
9. I was just calling her a ghoul
Tue May 20, 2025, 10:51 AM
May 2025

Now I realize she is an empty headed ghoul. Corey must like em dumb...

Midnight Writer

(25,145 posts)
11. It's hard to believe she is that ignorant of the law...and hasn't been appointed Attorney General by Trump. Yet.
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:11 AM
May 2025

Oneironaut

(6,210 posts)
17. I disagree. They're all playing dumb and have evil intentions.
Tue May 20, 2025, 11:54 AM
May 2025

This administration communicates to the public like the Devil grooms a new subject. They’re manipulative and know exactly what they're doing. This is all an act, and, Kristi Noem is one of the performers.

ToxMarz

(2,756 posts)
18. She thinks that Habeus Corpuse is a privledge that we enjoy at the pleasure of the President
Tue May 20, 2025, 12:07 PM
May 2025

It is bestowed or denied at his sole discretion.

Thank you sir!

swong19104

(580 posts)
19. She got a brain transplant
Tue May 20, 2025, 12:14 PM
May 2025

during her monthly plastic surgery session. This time, with Abby Normal.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,948 posts)
23. Maddow Blog-Kristi Noem flunks an important test on the basic meaning of habeas corpus
Tue May 20, 2025, 01:15 PM
May 2025

The homeland security secretary was asked to define habeas corpus. Her outrageously wrong answer was humiliating — but it was also important.

It's tempting to laugh at Kristi Noem’s humiliating ignorance about the meaning of habeas corpus, but this isn’t just some embarrassing gaffe.

Given the scope of her powers, her cluelessness matters.

(And in a healthier environment, Noem would be forced to resign in embarrassment right about now.)

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-05-20T16:48:08.242Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kristi-noem-flunks-important-test-basic-meaning-habeas-corpus-rcna207982

There’s been considerable discussion in recent weeks about basic legal principles such as habeas corpus and the degree to which the Trump administration is hostile toward the bedrock foundations of the American system of government. What’s gone largely overlooked, however, is whether Trump administration officials have a high-school-civics-class-level understanding of what these legal principles are.

Take Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, for example. Axios reported:

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem botched questions about habeas corpus at a Senate hearing Tuesday, falsely asserting the check on the government’s power to detain people actually gives President Trump a “constitutional right” to conduct deportations.


There’s been considerable discussion in recent weeks about basic legal principles such as habeas corpus and the degree to which the Trump administration is hostile toward the bedrock foundations of the American system of government. What’s gone largely overlooked, however, is whether Trump administration officials have a high-school-civics-class-level understanding of what these legal principles are.

Take Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, for example. Axios reported:

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem botched questions about habeas corpus at a Senate hearing Tuesday, falsely asserting the check on the government’s power to detain people actually gives President Trump a “constitutional right” to conduct deportations.
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.....In case this weren’t quite enough, when Democratic Sen. Andy Kim of New Jersey asked the Cabinet secretary which part of the Constitution includes habeas corpus, Noem was again stumped.

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The significance of this goes well beyond marveling at a powerful official’s ignorance. Earlier this month, Stephen Miller, a White House deputy chief of staff, told reporters that White House officials are “actively looking” at possibly suspending the writ of habeas corpus. If this were to happen, the Trump administration would have the power to lock people up without charges, and prisoners would not have the ability to contest their incarceration.

Eleven days after Miller made those comments, the homeland security secretary couldn’t even offer a basic definition of what habeas corpus is — despite the scope of her powers, and despite the fact that this legal principle has existed for the better part of a millennium.

In a healthier political environment, a fiasco such as this one would lead to credible discussion about whether Noem should be forced to resign in embarrassment.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,948 posts)
25. There's something oddly creepy about Kristi Noem who didn't get her Bachelors Degree until she was 41 online
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:50 AM
May 2025

Eliot Rosewater

(34,282 posts)
26. I see we still don't understand,
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:52 AM
May 2025

Habeas corpus no longer exists because they say so, get it yet?

Whatever the judges or courts say no longer matter either, everybody get that yet?

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