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BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:04 PM Thursday

Judges warn Trump risks public perception of lawlessness in his fight with courts

Source: Reuters

April 17, 2025 4:28 PM EDT Updated 9 min ago


NEW YORK, April 17 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court urged the Trump administration on Thursday to back off from its escalating confrontation with the judiciary, warning that both the executive and judicial branches risk losing public confidence. In a strongly worded unanimous opinion, a three-judge panel rejected President Donald Trump's administration's request to stop a judge from probing what the government had done to secure the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a migrant it acknowledged having wrongly deported to El Salvador.

The judges, part of the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, said the executive branch represented by the administration and the courts were "grinding irrevocably against one another in a conflict that promises to diminish both."

"We yet cling to the hope that it is not naïve to believe our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos. This case presents their unique chance to vindicate that value and to summon the best that is within us while there is still time," wrote U.S. Circuit Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson. Wilkinson is an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, a Republican like Trump.

Asked to comment on the appeals court decision, a Justice Department spokesperson referred to Attorney General Pam Bondi's posts on X on Monday and on Wednesday asserting that Abrego Garcia belonged to the MS-13 street gang. An immigration judge in 2019 granted Abrego Garcia protection from deportation to El Salvador after finding he was likely to be persecuted by gangs if returned there, court records show. Abrego Garcia's lawyers and family members deny he was part of MS-13.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-challenges-judges-probes-compliance-with-deportation-orders-2025-04-17/



Link to ORDER (PDF viewer) - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25900495-2025-04-17-court-order-dckt/

Link to ORDER (PDF) - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25900495/2025-04-17-court-order-dckt.pdf


There is no hypothetical "risk" of a "perception". IT IS PURE UNADULTERATED LAWLESSNESS. COMPLETE AND UTTER.

EVERY SINGLE THING HE HAS DONE HAS BROKEN SOME LAW.
.

And regarding this -

President Ronald Reagan, a Republican like Trump.


At this point, Raygun and 45 are like polar opposites.
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Judges warn Trump risks public perception of lawlessness in his fight with courts (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
It ain't a "perception" BoRaGard Thursday #1
This. And for the media to spin it as anything less is beyond irresponsible and destructive, particularly at this point Karasu Thursday #2
BINGO... hE hAs ImMuNiTy! LymphocyteLover Thursday #18
Trump wants the judicial branch to lose power and confidence. Irish_Dem Thursday #3
There is no "risk" "may" "might" or "could" about it... EarthFirst Thursday #4
It's too late. J_William_Ryan Thursday #5
That ship has sailed. Baitball Blogger Thursday #6
Who does the judiciary's police work? Federal Marshals? FirstLight Thursday #7
When they call, bondi won't answer. The federal marshals work for her/trump. PSPS Thursday #17
At first I thought, mountain grammy Thursday #8
They let a criminal take over the country and they think it's a perception issue. Blues Heron Thursday #9
No risk to Trump whatsoever stillcool Thursday #10
This message was self-deleted by its author wcmagumba Thursday #11
This made me laugh out loud JoseBalow Thursday #12
Wasn't it in Israel slightlv Thursday #13
That ship has pretty much sailed. MLWR Thursday #14
Oh that is a brilliant observation "Trump risks public perception of lawlessness". You think! nt doc03 Thursday #15
LOL. Oh noes!!11!! "a strongly worded unanimous opinion11!!!1!1!!" OMG!!111!!1!!!11@252z9 PSPS Thursday #16
The rich and power often forget liberalgunwilltravel Thursday #19
There is no "perception" blue-wave Thursday #20
Turnip has 28 indictments, breaking George III's long-standing record. nt eppur_se_muova Yesterday #25
As if he cares nt Javaman Thursday #21
Perceptiom? Is this a joke? Warpy Thursday #22
No, not a Republican like Trump Bluetus Thursday #23
"public perception of lawlessness"??? Judges Jack Valentino Yesterday #24
Wow. Ishedeadyet Yesterday #26
No, Reagan True Blue American Yesterday #27
"No, Reagan Was the beginning of Republican lawlessness." BumRushDaShow Yesterday #29
The Judge showed their hand, not even a pair, basically telling tRump that is the worse that will happen ImNotGod Yesterday #28
risk? oh that bridge has long been crossed. nt Javaman 21 hrs ago #30
I think Trump will continue making it worse, and a lot of Americans who voted for Trump will begin to worry at some Martin68 19 hrs ago #34
Like Trump gives a shit. Ray Bruns 20 hrs ago #31
Trump's base applauds his lawlessness. But that base is a minority of Americans. Martin68 19 hrs ago #32
It's not a perception of lawlessness. It is lawlessness. Say the words, judge. travelingthrulife 19 hrs ago #33
Toooooooooooooooo EFFING latttttttttteeeeeeeee!!! maxrandb 18 hrs ago #35
That train has already left the station. malthaussen 16 hrs ago #36

Karasu

(942 posts)
2. This. And for the media to spin it as anything less is beyond irresponsible and destructive, particularly at this point
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:10 PM
Thursday

in history.

Irish_Dem

(68,172 posts)
3. Trump wants the judicial branch to lose power and confidence.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:11 PM
Thursday

This is his goal.

And he assumes destroying judges and judicial processes will give him power.

EarthFirst

(3,618 posts)
4. There is no "risk" "may" "might" or "could" about it...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:17 PM
Thursday

What this administration has demonstrated is that the judiciary is a complete impediment to their agenda; and they will refuse; deny or delay any attempt by the courts to adjudicate their lawlessness.

J_William_Ryan

(2,646 posts)
5. It's too late.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:24 PM
Thursday

The Trump regime is already appropriately, factually, and accurately perceived as lawless.

And yes, it is naïve to believe that this corrupt, criminal ‘administration’ will respect the rule of law.

stillcool

(33,632 posts)
10. No risk to Trump whatsoever
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:35 PM
Thursday

that is the problem. I keep on thinking of that Scooter Libby poem to Judith Miller, wherein the aspens 'turn in clusters because their roots connect them'. Been a lot of turning in clusters.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

slightlv

(5,393 posts)
13. Wasn't it in Israel
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:48 PM
Thursday

where the people rose up and actually stopped Netanyahu from basically doing away with the power of the courts by "reforming" them?

Did that happen simply by an overwhelming number of citizens coming out to gather, march, and protest? Or was there something else behind the scenes going on? I'd like to know... because we're going to have start learning from people who've faced this before and stomped it out. This makes what we did in the Vietnam era look like small potatoes.

MLWR

(275 posts)
14. That ship has pretty much sailed.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:50 PM
Thursday

There are millions of us out here who have lost confidence in the executive and judicial branches of government and think both are pretty much totally corrupt.

doc03

(37,717 posts)
15. Oh that is a brilliant observation "Trump risks public perception of lawlessness". You think! nt
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:57 PM
Thursday

PSPS

(14,470 posts)
16. LOL. Oh noes!!11!! "a strongly worded unanimous opinion11!!!1!1!!" OMG!!111!!1!!!11@252z9
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:07 PM
Thursday

I'm sure that will stop their continuous lawlessness in its tracks!!11!!!!!!1@72&@#@##

blue-wave

(4,604 posts)
20. There is no "perception"
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:52 PM
Thursday

They don't like the American tradition of rule of law. They likely do not know this, but we fought a revolutionary war over the lawlessness imposed upon the colonies by the King of England. If you read the preamble to the Declaration of Independence and continue further, there are 27 grievances listed concerning the King's lawlessness. One of those grievances concerns due process. The situations were different then, but the concept and now the law of due process are the same.

Warpy

(113,216 posts)
22. Perceptiom? Is this a joke?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:58 PM
Thursday

From him hosing down of the Oval Office in gilt to his appointment of Musk to dismantle the government, we already know this is a lawless man who has appointed himself KING and not president and that he will not stop until he is stopped.

Perception, my tired old ass.

Bluetus

(951 posts)
23. No, not a Republican like Trump
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:57 PM
Thursday
... an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, a Republican like Trump


Baloney. Reagan would be kicked to the curb by this Republican Party.

Jack Valentino

(1,855 posts)
24. "public perception of lawlessness"??? Judges
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:00 AM
Yesterday

are too soft-spoken and, what is the word?----

UNDERSTATED.

Ishedeadyet

(5 posts)
26. Wow.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 02:34 AM
Yesterday

He doesn’t care. When will we understand that? He gets away with everything and he will continue to press the limits as long as he does.

True Blue American

(18,489 posts)
27. No, Reagan
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 03:14 AM
Yesterday

Was the beginning of Republican lawlessness. First with his breaking of Unions, tax cuts for the wealthy and then, Iran/ Contra, where many of his staff went to jail. Then a sordid follow up, Bush, lying us into a 21 year wat, the worst recession since the Great Depression, Nixon and now Trump.
Do not excuse Reagan.

BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
29. "No, Reagan Was the beginning of Republican lawlessness."
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 05:01 AM
Yesterday

Nope - he was just the latest version.

Don't forget THIS guy -



Much of what you see 45 doing - "Enemies lists", "refusing to spend Congressionally-appropriated money" (which lead to passage of H.R.7130 - Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974), came from the lawlessness of Nixon.

This is because 45 has 2 of these 3 former (then youngsters) Nixon (and later Raygun) guys around him -



(Roger Stone and Paul Manafort - the other - Lee Atwater, is no longer around)

BUT since I bring up Lee Atwater, THIS is one of HIS legacies that 45 has deployed -



Example - Misuse of the term "DEI" as a racist dog-whistle "code term" similar to how Atwater described the use of the term "busing" (in terms of trying to desegregate schools back in the '70s).

This is why RACE (and gender, etc) cannot be cavalierly dismissed as "identity politics" as some insist because as is heard in the above video, the white supremacist GOP have "weaponized 'economics'" in order to OPPRESS - not by "class", but by everything else.

The difference between both Nixon/Raygun and 45 is that the former two still had some sense of "honor" within their thievery (and both had ALSO served in some government role prior to becoming President).

45 has NONE of that. He had NEVER served in ANY CAPACITY in the government (municipal/county/state/federal, whether elected, appointed, as a civil servant, or in the military) and has completely TRASHED the "honor system" that has kept this Republic (semi-) together for the past 234 years.

ImNotGod

(630 posts)
28. The Judge showed their hand, not even a pair, basically telling tRump that is the worse that will happen
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:53 AM
Yesterday

to him. With 100 percent of the government under fascist control there isn't any tools left to control the dictator and the judge knows it.

Martin68

(25,449 posts)
34. I think Trump will continue making it worse, and a lot of Americans who voted for Trump will begin to worry at some
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:50 AM
19 hrs ago

point. almost everybody has their millets on what they will accept, even libertarians.

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