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BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:41 AM Monday

Geologist warns prospect of a mineral bonanza in Greenland is a mirage

Source: CBS News

Updated on: April 13, 2025 / 7:46 PM EDT


Greenland has likely received more international news attention in the past 90 days than in the previous 90 years. President Trump has been explicit: he wants America to control Greenland, predicting untold riches for the local population. On March 4, the president directly addressed the people of Greenland during a joint session of Congress. "We will make you rich, and together, we will take Greenland to heights like you have never thought possible before," Mr. Trump declared.

Although the 57.000 people living in Greenland would no doubt welcome more American investment, their appetite for America taking control of the island, which is currently part of the Kingdom of Denmark, seems limited. A poll from January 2025 shows that only 6% of the predominantly Indigenous Inuit population wants to become American—and this poll was conducted before Mr. Trump refused to rule out using force to acquire Greenland "one way or the other." This statement did not sit well in the capital of Nuuk.

Mr. Trump's claim that the U.S. needs Greenland "for national security and even international security" is being tested. Danish political scientist Ole Wæver tells 60 Minutes that it doesn't add up. "You can only get to that conclusion by kind of messing up everything," he said.

"Throwing in five, six different military security dynamics and then treating them as one mysterious whole. If you break them up and take them one by one, then you will, for each of them, say, 'That would not change by possessing Greenland.' You either have access already, or it's not a real issue, or someone else is doing it. There are none of those questions where it's really about possessing Greenland."

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/geologist-warns-prospect-mineral-bonanza-greenland-mirage-60-minutes/

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multigraincracker

(35,446 posts)
1. I'd be ok with him putting up a hotel and golf course there.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:36 AM
Monday

I flew over Greenland once. Not much to see. Snow and ice.

BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
2. They may need to hire some locals to wrangle the polar bears who might steal the balls!
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:50 AM
Monday
Polar bear conflict hits record high, raises fears in Greenland



Polar bears approach Cape Tobin, near Ittoqqortoormiit, Greenland.
© Charlotte M. Moshøj / WWF



‘Problematic’ polar bear may be shot after heatwave drives it closer to humans


One polar bear stuck its head through a window and bit the hand of a documentary maker in Greenland (Pictures: Getty Images/Shutterstock)

Bayard

(24,746 posts)
11. That's a skinny polar bear
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 10:58 AM
Monday

Like the mountain lions that used to come down to our elevation when I lived in Calif, could be too old to hunt anymore.

trump is just looking for an excuse to expand his empire.

BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
13. Apparently there is a small group
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 11:03 AM
Monday

that have adapted to life in that area, able to subsist on glacial ice vs arctic ice, which has been shocking to many who study them.

Subpopulation of Greenland Polar Bears Found by NASA-Funded Study

I remember when the above study was announced. They apparently have developed some genetic differences in order to survive there.

Bayard

(24,746 posts)
15. Thanks!
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 11:20 PM
Monday

I will read the article tomor. Wonder why NASA would be interested in polar bears......

BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
16. NASA has the satellites over the Arctic and much of the Western Hemisphere
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 06:10 AM
Tuesday

so they actually partner with a number of organizations to supply their data to assist in endeavors like this (including tracking glacier movement and melting over time).

Similarly, NASA works with NOAA (who also has satellites, including those associated with the NWS - the GOES ones) to do quite a bit of weather and climate research.

BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
18. Since it was "climate related"
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 12:28 PM
Tuesday

I expect it was gone in an instant (if the project was still ongoing) - that is assuming the crude search algorithms they use, discovered it.

TomWilm

(1,901 posts)
3. ... prospect of a mineral bonanza in Greenland is a mirage
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 09:09 AM
Monday
... Minik Rosing, a native Greenlander and professor at the University of Copenhagen, ... has spent years studying the territory's terrain. He argues that the assumptions about getting rich quickly from untapped resources in Greenland are akin to planning to get wealthy by playing the lottery. The widespread lack of detailed knowledge about geology, mining, and minerals has resulted in, he says, an almost "mythological misunderstanding" of what rare earth elements truly are.

"In geology, we say what characterizes rare earths is that they are neither rare nor earth. They are a group of metals that are commonly occurring in many rock types, and there are large known deposits of them throughout the world," Rosing explained to 60 Minutes.

Nothing points to a special concentration of minerals and rare earths in Greenland, and there are many places in the world where minerals are easier and cheaper to obtain, such as the USA. ...

BumRushDaShow

(150,860 posts)
8. As a former chemist
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 10:24 AM
Monday

I will just note that they are mainly just a row on the periodic table!


Heavy and light rare earth elements: The rare earth elements are often subdivided into "Heavy Rare Earths" and "Light Rare Earths." Lanthanum, cerium, praseodymium, neodymium, promethium, and samarium are the "light rare earths." Yttrium, europium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, and lutetium are the "heavy rare earths." Although yttrium is lighter than the light rare earth elements, it is included in the heavy rare earth group because of its chemical and physical associations with heavy rare earths in natural deposits.



REE Production Chart: This chart shows China's dominance in the production of rare earth elements between 1994 and 2022. The United States was a significant producer through the 1990s, but low-priced materials sold by China forced mines in the United States and other countries out of operation. As China limited exports, and prices increased rapidly in 2009 and 2010, mines in Australia and the United States became active again. In 2018, data from Burma / Myanmar became available, causing an increase in production that may have been present but unreported prior to 2018. Graph by Geology.com using data from the United States Geological Survey.


https://geology.com/articles/rare-earth-elements/

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,741 posts)
4. tRump would cherish Greenland the same way he cherishes casinos. Clean up old US bases before doing anything
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 09:29 AM
Monday

Can't even do a simple good faith thing like cleaning up the trash and toxics and debris at abandoned US bases in Greenland?

That means there is no good faith in anything tRump says about Greenland.

We are not surprised.
Greenland and Denmark are not fooled.

Paladin

(30,143 posts)
7. How far would a fictional movie script of these circumstances go?
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 10:19 AM
Monday

An American president, advocating the forced takeover of fucking GREENLAND? Can you imagine being a studio executive, taking a look at a script depicting that sort of goofy, other-worldly shit?

I want my country back. By any means necessary.

Paladin

(30,143 posts)
12. Should have known this administration couldn't come up with it on their own.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 11:00 AM
Monday

Good movie, by the way; saw it years ago...

Prairie Gates

(4,860 posts)
9. The desperation to pull resources from Ukraine and Greenland come into focus as China
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 10:24 AM
Monday

puts stop on mineral shipments to the US.

Trump wanted mineral extraction in place before this happened.

The whole Trump crew really think they are 19th century imperialist types. A bunch of fucking clowns.

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