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LetMyPeopleVote

(161,698 posts)
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:19 PM Sunday

Trump administration contends it has no duty to return illegally deported man to US

Source: Politico

The Trump administration insisted Sunday that it has no legal obligation to arrange for the return of a Maryland man illegally deported from the United States, arguing that a Supreme Court ruling last week only requires officials to admit him into the country if he makes it back from a high-security prison in El Salvador.

Justice Department lawyers told a federal judge that they don’t interpret the Supreme Court’s Thursday ruling — that the administration “facilitate” Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s release — as obligating the administration to do anything more than adjust his immigration status to admit him if El Salvador’s government chooses to release him.

With El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele set to meet President Donald Trump Monday, DOJ attorneys argued the courts have no power to require the administration to engage with the Salvadoran government to reach a diplomatic solution. They contend such a potential order would amount to a violation of the separation of powers and an intrusion into what they allege is unfettered presidential power to conduct foreign relations.

“All of those requested orders involve interactions with a foreign sovereign — and potential violations of that sovereignty,” Justice Department attorneys wrote in a seven-page submission to U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis. “[A] federal court cannot compel the Executive Branch to engage in any mandated act of diplomacy or incursion upon the sovereignty of another nation.”

The administration’s position suggests officials do not view the Supreme Court’s order as compelling them to seek Abrego Garcia’s return. The Salvadoran native entered the country illegally around 2011 and had been living in Maryland. The Trump administration has admitted it deported him to El Salvador in violation of a 2019 immigration court order barring his deportation to that country. Though Abrego Garcia was denied asylum, a judge found he could not be sent to his home country because of a legitimate fear of persecution by a local gang.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/13/abrego-garcia-el-salvador-trump-administration-00288502





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Trump administration contends it has no duty to return illegally deported man to US (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Sunday OP
The only way this reaction makes sense is if that guy is injured or dead, or the Scrivener7 Sunday #1
First domino to fall OrangeJoe Sunday #11
Time to sharpen the pitchforks. Nt Phoenix61 Sunday #2
Which is bull............... Lovie777 Sunday #3
Call them LIARS!!!! EarthAbides Sunday #4
Don't discount that this is part of their dragging their feet usaf-vet Sunday #22
This is total bullshit Bayard Sunday #5
SCotUS ruled 9-0. I bet tRump gets over-ruled again and "facilitate" is clarified to mean "every assistance" Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #7
But they will ignore it OrangeJoe Sunday #12
Agreed Mrsfiddlegirl Sunday #10
Nope, the president is immune to prosecution OrangeJoe Sunday #13
the president did not board that man onto the plane. uncle ray Sunday #15
Very true. Following orders to defy the Constitution is against the law mdbl Sunday #24
Hopefully a whole boatload of those Quislings will get jailed. OrangeJoe Monday #35
Hes NOT immune to civil damages, tho... Volaris Sunday #25
Then his US citizen wife, who is still in country, should sue! Nt SomewhereInTheMiddle Monday #34
THIS SC gave TSF exactly what they wanted. A word that anybvody could haggle over. bluestarone Sunday #6
Trump really wants to win this point of law for some reason bucolic_frolic Sunday #8
What tools? Trump himself said the supreme court "has no army." PSPS Sunday #30
SC has NJCher Monday #33
LOL. As if! The marshals are under the administration (trump) via Bondi. PSPS Monday #42
I'll check that out NJCher Monday #43
The Trump Administration is claiming they don't have to do anything to bring Abrego Garcia back to America, LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #9
'Defiant screw you': Expert stunned as Trump admin 'thumbs its nose' at Supreme Court LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #14
More above the law ? republianmushroom Sunday #16
Educate me here - what exactly CAN the courts do? tinrobot Sunday #17
I Believe CitizenZero Sunday #19
I Found the Video CitizenZero Sunday #20
A giant fuck you orangecrush Sunday #18
Remember: cruelty is a feature, not a bug sakabatou Sunday #21
All I can do is shake my head. LoisB Sunday #23
That's not what SCOTUS ruled. NT bee_peaceful Sunday #26
The court should subpoena the president of El Salvador 33taw Sunday #27
If the SC orders me to do something, can I now tell them to F themselves? Irish_Dem Sunday #28
Call me naive, but I still believe what I was taught in 5th grade civics class, that dobleremolque Sunday #29
This right here is the truth yourmovemonkey Monday #32
F that! WestMichRad Sunday #31
This is refined cruelty DFW Monday #36
So practically speaking there's no way back from these international torture prisons 0rganism Monday #37
The way this is going... GiqueCee Monday #38
its time for the courts to stop wasting time moonshinegnomie Monday #39
They have a moral responsibility to get him back. Also the others where there are indications that they are completely everyonematters Monday #40
Hope all the Latinos who voted for trump are pleased with themselves. (nt) Paladin Monday #41

Scrivener7

(55,349 posts)
1. The only way this reaction makes sense is if that guy is injured or dead, or the
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:21 PM
Sunday

Salvadorean government wants him injured or dead.

OrangeJoe

(494 posts)
11. First domino to fall
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:04 PM
Sunday

They are doing this to establish the precedent that they can ignore the courts.

EarthAbides

(256 posts)
4. Call them LIARS!!!!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:26 PM
Sunday

We have to start yelling in their fascists faces, "LIAR!!" "LIAR!!" Repeatedly. Over and over again. I am going to keep saying this until it starts happening! And, yes, I yell "LIAR!" at my TV all the time!

Please someone do it in person....

Bayard

(24,746 posts)
5. This is total bullshit
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:31 PM
Sunday

They KIDNAPPED this man! He is now basically being tortured in a hellish prison. I can't believe they would get a pass on this.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,741 posts)
7. SCotUS ruled 9-0. I bet tRump gets over-ruled again and "facilitate" is clarified to mean "every assistance"
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:34 PM
Sunday

If I understand correctly it is back in lower courts for status reports, etc. I think the lower court can and might give clarification that tRump regime won't like.

mdbl

(6,188 posts)
24. Very true. Following orders to defy the Constitution is against the law
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:01 PM
Sunday

So anyone that listens to Dump should be prosecuted if asked to break the law on his behalf.

Volaris

(10,817 posts)
25. Hes NOT immune to civil damages, tho...
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:04 PM
Sunday

If by some miracle, guy makes it back here alive, he's gonna get to file the biggest civil rights lawsuit in history.

Just me...I don't think he's coming back here minus a bag.. can't be having him telling his story to the Press now, dontchaknow.

bluestarone

(19,577 posts)
6. THIS SC gave TSF exactly what they wanted. A word that anybvody could haggle over.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:32 PM
Sunday

Just so they could use that loop hole. The SC could have made their order VERY CLEAR.

bucolic_frolic

(49,809 posts)
8. Trump really wants to win this point of law for some reason
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:34 PM
Sunday

Contempt is what the rule of law has. They are not obeying. It's true the courts do not conduct foreign policy, but they do rule on it, and they have the tools for consequences.

PSPS

(14,470 posts)
30. What tools? Trump himself said the supreme court "has no army."
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:48 PM
Sunday

I'm afraid that the only remedy is impeachment which is off the table. Since MAGA is 100% of the republican base, a primary challenger will, with trump's endorsement, always win especially in their gerrymandered house districts.

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,698 posts)
9. The Trump Administration is claiming they don't have to do anything to bring Abrego Garcia back to America,
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 06:58 PM
Sunday

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,698 posts)
14. 'Defiant screw you': Expert stunned as Trump admin 'thumbs its nose' at Supreme Court
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:06 PM
Sunday

I strongly disagree with the DOJ's position here. The DOJ is basically thumbing its nose at the trial court and the SCOTUS. I suspect that there will be a contempt motion started on Tuesday

https://bsky.app/profile/realtuckfrumper.bsky.social/post/3lmq7opfvnc2h



https://www.rawstory.com/trump-defiant-supreme-court
Donald Trump's Department of Justice just "thumbed its nose at the Supreme Court," experts say.

The Trump Administration over the weekend filed multiple briefs in the case involving Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran migrant who lived in the U.S. legally with a work permit and was erroneously deported to El Salvador. A day earlier, the Trump Administration confirmed that the man is alive but didn't provide many details.

In the new filings, the Trump administration "says it has no updates" for Judge Xinis about the "efforts to facilitate" the return of the wrongly deported man, according to Politico's Kyle Cheney......

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, senior fellow at American Immigration Council, said, "The Trump administration thumbs its nose at the Supreme Court, saying that there is nothing the judge can do to order them to bring Mr. Abrego back."

"They also refuse to provide any information on the deal with Bukele, claiming it’s classified and maybe also a state secret," he added.

"Today's filings are a defiant 'screw you' to Judge Xinis. They say they can't 'facilitate' anything because Mr. Abrego is in Bukele's custody, they threaten to appeal any order she makes requiring further steps, and they refuse to tell her anything," Reichlin-Melnick said.

He continued:

"The Supreme Court held 9-0 that Judge Xinis’s 'order properly requires the Government to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador.' Her order was also upheld 3-0 by the 4th Circuit."

tinrobot

(11,517 posts)
17. Educate me here - what exactly CAN the courts do?
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:20 PM
Sunday

Who exactly in the administration gets held in contempt/fined/put in jail?

And who enforces this decision?

Or is it that they just issue a stern warning?

CitizenZero

(748 posts)
19. I Believe
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 08:46 PM
Sunday

I believe that the Court can hold the Administration in contempt. I am not sure who in the Administration would be subject to a contempt ruling. This can result in Fines and Civil Confinement. Normally the US Marshals Service enforces the decision, but they are under control of the Administration. It is my understanding that a Judge can deputize State Law Enforcement to enforce judgements such as contempt. I recently saw a video from a State AG on this subject. I am not a lawyer. I will look for the video.

33taw

(3,149 posts)
27. The court should subpoena the president of El Salvador
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:06 PM
Sunday

to come in and testify. Send the Court’s US Marshalls to get him.

dobleremolque

(994 posts)
29. Call me naive, but I still believe what I was taught in 5th grade civics class, that
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 09:42 PM
Sunday

our system of justice is based on the idea that it is better to allow a criminal to go unpunished, than to permit an innocent person to be prosecuted and punished.

Today's lawyers and judges don't seek to see their work result in justice. They work for error-free administration of the statutes and rules of procedure, so they don't lose on appeal.

Occasionally, that results in "justice." But justice isn't anything American jurisprudence strives for, despite all the lofty mottos engraved in the marble.

WestMichRad

(2,244 posts)
31. F that!
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:56 PM
Sunday

So their argument is that they can (deliberately) screw up, and if the person is deported before the violation is caught, then they get a free pass and have no obligation to remediate.

Bet they can’t wait to do this with citizens, too.

DFW

(57,753 posts)
36. This is refined cruelty
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:10 AM
Monday

If the guy is still alive, the Trumpanzees know he gets returned at some point, at which time, they show their "humane" side, and "generously" allow him back in. He is so grateful, he'll participate in some completely contrived welcoming ceremony, where Trump or his lackeys try to score points when Kilmar kisses their hand in gratitude.

0rganism

(24,991 posts)
37. So practically speaking there's no way back from these international torture prisons
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:22 AM
Monday

Last edited Mon Apr 14, 2025, 05:31 AM - Edit history (1)

I hope the rich nazi motherfuckers get what's coming to them when people figure out their semi-legal foreign contract deportations are effectively a death sentence, or at least assumably-permanent exile with no external communication, and the F47 team can "deport" anyone it wants, regardless of charge or evidence. That's more-than-sufficient cause for a revolution, not to mention a trade embargo from 90% of the world.


(Imperial remote prison on Narkina 5, Andor S1E8-10)

GiqueCee

(2,130 posts)
38. The way this is going...
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:20 AM
Monday

... it would not surprise me if the disbarment proceedings for all the lawyers involved in these grotesquely illegal actions were to fill a goddam stadium. May they be sentenced to scrubbing toilets with their own toothbrushes.
These people are the worst of the worst. I've no doubt that Stephen Miller's slimy little fingers are in this somewhere.

moonshinegnomie

(3,307 posts)
39. its time for the courts to stop wasting time
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:01 AM
Monday

start locking up administration officials for contempt.
no excuses. send marshals to arrest them and lock them up until hes returned to the US.
work their way up to higher and higher officials up to the AG. lock them up in the worst prison they can.

everyonematters

(3,747 posts)
40. They have a moral responsibility to get him back. Also the others where there are indications that they are completely
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:07 AM
Monday

innocent.

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