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riversedge

(75,054 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:24 AM Saturday

Ukraine could be divided into European and Russian 'zones of responsibility,' Trump's envoy suggests

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Yonnie3 (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: nbc news



Retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg appeared to suggest in an interview that Ukraine could be divided like Berlin after World War II.


April 12, 2025, 4:48 AM CDT By Freddie Clayton

President Donald Trump's special envoy to Ukraine appeared to suggest that the country could be divided like Berlin after World War II, as another of his envoys held long talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Urged by Trump on Truth Social to “get moving” on a ceasefire to end the “terrible and senseless war,” Putin spoke for four hours with Steve Witkoff, the U.S. special envoy leading talks with the Kremlin, in the the Russian city of St. Petersburg on Friday.

Neither Moscow or Witkoff, who later flew to Oman for talks with Iran, commented on what was said at the meeting, which did not include representatives from Ukraine, despite President Volodymyr Zelenskky repeatedly insisting that his country should be involved in the talks.

Zelenskyy, who has firmly rejected any territorial concessions to Russia, will likely have been disappointed to read comments from Trump’s special envoy to Ukraine, retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, who told The Times of London that Ukraine could “look like what happened with Berlin” after World War II.

He said British and French troops could serve as a “reassurance force” west of the Dnieper River which bisects parts of the north and east of Ukraine before flowing out into the Black Sea in the South.

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Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-divided-europe-russia-zones-responsibility-trump-keith-kellogg-rcna200977







Tymofiy Mylovanov @Mylovanov

Reuters: Putin agrees to ceasefire if Ukraine surrenders the rest of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk & Donetsk (about 1 mln people; for some regions as much as 40%)

Putin knows, I am 100% sure, that no politician in Ukraine can sign this deal or be prosecuted later for treason







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Ukraine could be divided into European and Russian 'zones of responsibility,' Trump's envoy suggests (Original Post) riversedge Saturday OP
No................ Lovie777 Saturday #1
I believe it is possible to have Mango Jebus to shove his head even further up Putin's ... marble falls Saturday #2
duplicate thread of muriel_volestrangler Saturday #3
MilitaryNewsUA🇺🇦 @front_ukrainian ❗️ "Witkoff must go." Republicans outraged by his role in Ukraine talks, - Reuters riversedge Saturday #4
Again? ChazInAz Saturday #5
The quickest way to end the conflict between the owner and the robber is to let the robber have the loot. riversedge Saturday #6
Terms Botany Saturday #7
plus the chinese nt et tu Saturday #8
Locking as a duplicate Yonnie3 Saturday #9

Lovie777

(18,000 posts)
1. No................
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:35 AM
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marble falls

(64,707 posts)
2. I believe it is possible to have Mango Jebus to shove his head even further up Putin's ...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:44 AM
Saturday

..."sphere of influence". And even highly likely he will.

Putin declaring victory and dragging his butt totally out of Ukraine is the only compromise. Otherwise he can just drag his butt totally out of Ukraine. See? There is room for one compromise, after all.

muriel_volestrangler

(103,460 posts)
3. duplicate thread of
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:44 AM
Saturday

riversedge

(75,054 posts)
4. MilitaryNewsUA🇺🇦 @front_ukrainian ❗️ "Witkoff must go." Republicans outraged by his role in Ukraine talks, - Reuters
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:39 AM
Saturday

Lots of folks unhappy with Trumps man Witkoff



MilitaryNewsUA🇺🇦 @front_ukrainian ❗️ "Witkoff must go." Republicans outraged by his role in Ukraine talks, - Reuters

There is growing discontent among senators from both the Republican and Democratic parties with Witkoff as a negotiator with Russia

In particular, lawmakers are concerned that he is directly repeating Russian narratives and the lack of experience in negotiations that the Russians use.

The publication also cites the words of one Republican donor who said that Witkoff should go and Rubio should take his place.







ChazInAz

(2,886 posts)
5. Again?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:39 AM
Saturday

That worked so well for post-war Germany and Eastern Europe.

riversedge

(75,054 posts)
6. The quickest way to end the conflict between the owner and the robber is to let the robber have the loot.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:45 AM
Saturday


The quickest way to end the conflict between the owner and the robber is to let the robber have the loot.

THE ART OF NEGOTIATION.

Really, folks. U.S. politics is broken.


Botany

(73,843 posts)
7. Terms
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:56 AM
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Ukrainian Land including Crimea is all returned to Ukraine.

Ukrainian minerals stay under Ukrainian control.

Russia pays for damages.

******

All Russian and North Korean Troops that are in Ukraine can either surrender or die.

et tu

(2,143 posts)
8. plus the chinese nt
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:21 AM
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Yonnie3

(18,570 posts)
9. Locking as a duplicate
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:33 AM
Saturday

Please continue discussion at the earlier post https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143438806

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