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mahatmakanejeeves

(64,327 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:21 AM Saturday

Trump administration overrode Social Security staff to list immigrants as dead

Source: Washington Post

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Trump administration overrode Social Security staff to list immigrants as dead

Story by Hannah Natanson, Lisa Rein, Meryl Kornfield 1h

Two days after the Social Security Administration purposely and falsely labeled 6,100 living immigrants as dead, security guards arrived at the office of a well-regarded senior executive in the agency's Woodlawn, Maryland, headquarters.

Greg Pearre, who oversaw a staff of hundreds of technology experts, had pushed back on the Trump administration's plan to move the migrants' names into a Social Security death database, eliminating their ability to legally earn wages and, officials hoped, spurring them to leave the country. In particular, Pearre had clashed with Scott Coulter, the new chief information officer installed by Elon Musk. Pearre told Coulter that the plan was illegal, cruel and risked declaring the wrong people dead, according to three people familiar with the events.

But his objections did not go over well with Trump political appointees. And so on Thursday, the security guards in Pearre's office told him it was time to leave.

They walked Pearre out of the building, capping a momentous internal battle over the novel strategy -- pushed by Musk's U.S. DOGE Service and the Department of Homeland Security -- to add thousands of immigrants ranging in age from teenagers to octogenarians to the agency's Death Master File. The dataset is used by government agencies, employers, banks and landlords to check the status of employees, residents, clients and others.

{snip}

Meanwhile, the effort to move immigrants who are alive into the deaths database is proceeding. On Thursday, Social Security added 102 names, records show.

Elizabeth Dwoskin contributed to this report.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/12/trump-immigrants-dead-social-security/



Alternative source:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-administration-overrode-social-security-staff-to-list-immigrants-as-dead/ar-AA1CN7sW
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Trump administration overrode Social Security staff to list immigrants as dead (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Saturday OP
WaPo: Trump administration overrode Social Security staff to list immigrants as dead Dennis Donovan Saturday #1
The list of petty stupid ass shit this orange moron has done in less than 90 days is way too long wolfie001 Saturday #2
pretty fucking evil... goddamn this administration from hell LymphocyteLover Saturday #3
Novel strategy.... Hornedfrog2000 Saturday #4
I can think of a couple (or more) who I wish were "listed" as dead UpInArms Saturday #5
Sinfully unconscionable!! wordstroken Saturday #6
Please make it stop. Yes! n/t yellow dahlia Saturday #29
This reigme needs to be changed. sinkingfeeling Saturday #7
I still have my Iraq War t-shirt: I Support Regime Change in the US Hekate Saturday #36
Diabolical administration sinks to unbelievable depths. oasis Saturday #8
Social Security bromeando Saturday #9
Exactly,they'll still have FICA wages withheld for who knows how many more years Bengus81 Saturday #16
More stealing. This is a two-fer for them: They deport non-white people AND they get to take the social security they LaMouffette Saturday #10
This is horrific!! I hope someone gets sued. 58Sunliner Saturday #11
Unfortunately, the courts are too slow to decide EmmaLee E Saturday #18
What's to stop them from expanding the 'dead list' to others pfitz59 Saturday #12
What's to stop them from disappearing and actually "unaliving" Tanuki Saturday #15
Exactly...one step at a time. yellow dahlia Saturday #30
Death Cherokee100 Saturday #13
RW Maga nuts still claim that nothing is going on in the SSA. Yeah..nothing that Jesse Waters Bengus81 Saturday #17
Exactly. Watters and Hannity and the sociopaths on nonnewsmax - yellow dahlia Saturday #31
I'm no attorney, but isn't that a felony? Tanuki Saturday #14
As if this administration cares sakabatou Saturday #19
How soon before they scoop up naturalized citizens? Hekate Saturday #20
The makings of a Twilight Zone episode. n/t yellow dahlia Saturday #32
You are now an Unperson. All you owned belongs to the State. Hekate Saturday #21
Aren't these idiots supposed to be combatting fraud? Ms. Toad Saturday #22
Remember, these people that were marked as dead, are here legally .. aggiesal Saturday #23
I don't understand how this isn't... Blue_playwright Saturday #24
So are all of these people marked as dead, they will receive their final SS payments now? I think it's $255 or so... SWBTATTReg Saturday #25
In case you've never experienced this, the SSA would kindly like a refund of anything the survivors got after the death-- Hekate Saturday #33
I never did experience anything like this, and I'm not surprised w/ what muskrat and his flying troupe have done. SWBTATTReg Sunday #37
Now I am waiting for a letter or lack of a deposit...........I really do hate the Federalist Society turbinetree Saturday #26
Why Wouldn't They Come Up With A New Code DallasNE Saturday #27
Please understand: contaminating the database is intentional on their part. The Flying Monkeys of Elon... Hekate Saturday #34
If they are allowed to continue on this path they moniss Saturday #28
Yes they can. I recommend reading Kafka with a chaser of 1984. Hekate Saturday #35
While screening a Fellini flick on the ceiling moniss Sunday #38
When the world goes mad... Hekate Sunday #39

Dennis Donovan

(30,294 posts)
1. WaPo: Trump administration overrode Social Security staff to list immigrants as dead
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:27 AM
Saturday
WaPo - (archived: https://archive.ph/0edvN ) Trump administration overrode Social Security staff to list immigrants as dead

A senior executive who objected was marched out of his office and put on leave, while earlier warnings about the agency’s deaths database were ignored.

April 12, 2025 at 6:00 a.m.
By Hannah Natanson, Lisa Rein and Meryl Kornfield

Two days after the Social Security Administration purposely and falsely labeled 6,100 living immigrants as dead, security guards arrived at the office of a well-regarded senior executive in the agency’s Woodlawn, Maryland, headquarters.

Greg Pearre, who oversaw a staff of hundreds of technology experts, had pushed back on the Trump administration’s plan to move the migrants’ names into a Social Security death database, eliminating their ability to legally earn wages and, officials hoped, spurring them to leave the country. In particular, Pearre had clashed with Scott Coulter, the new chief information officer installed by Elon Musk. Pearre told Coulter that the plan was illegal, cruel and risked declaring the wrong people dead, according to three people familiar with the events.

But his objections did not go over well with Trump political appointees. And so on Thursday, the security guards in Pearre’s office told him it was time to leave.

They walked Pearre out of the building, capping a momentous internal battle over the novel strategy — pushed by Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service and the Department of Homeland Security — to add thousands of immigrants ranging in age from teenagers to octogenarians to the agency’s Death Master File. The dataset is used by government agencies, employers, banks and landlords to check the status of employees, residents, clients and others.

/snip


Good morning!

wolfie001

(4,608 posts)
2. The list of petty stupid ass shit this orange moron has done in less than 90 days is way too long
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:05 AM
Saturday

Impossible to even comprehend all of this fascist nonsense that's ruining people's lives and our country's future. I'm thinking Venezuela when the whole thing just stops working everywhere all at once.

Hekate

(97,244 posts)
36. I still have my Iraq War t-shirt: I Support Regime Change in the US
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:53 PM
Saturday

To which I can only add: the more things change, the more they remain the same

Bengus81

(8,692 posts)
16. Exactly,they'll still have FICA wages withheld for who knows how many more years
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:01 AM
Saturday

and if they apply for SS years,decades from now they'll be told there's nothing in your work file because you died in 2025.

Democracy? Long fucking gone............

LaMouffette

(2,488 posts)
10. More stealing. This is a two-fer for them: They deport non-white people AND they get to take the social security they
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:05 AM
Saturday

have paid so far.

What's next? Going to their homes to check between their couch cushions for change? That, of course, would be a job for JD Vance.

EmmaLee E

(227 posts)
18. Unfortunately, the courts are too slow to decide
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:04 AM
Saturday

and then when they do - the Quicker Fucker Upper just ignores them.

pfitz59

(11,450 posts)
12. What's to stop them from expanding the 'dead list' to others
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:32 AM
Saturday

who Trump wants to punish? No checks and balances. One day you're posting on DU, next day the government says you're dead. A TV series called 'Burn Notice' covered this for spies. Total Nazi move.

Tanuki

(15,803 posts)
15. What's to stop them from disappearing and actually "unaliving"
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:51 AM
Saturday

people on the list? After all, they're already officially dead. These are evil, remorseless sociopaths who are itching to implement a final solution.

yellow dahlia

(2,247 posts)
30. Exactly...one step at a time.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:29 PM
Saturday

I sometimes think the architects of this take over watched every dystopian and futuristic film as inspiration.

Cherokee100

(378 posts)
13. Death
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:37 AM
Saturday

Death of Social Security by 1,000 cuts/pen pricks. That's the plan, soon nothing will be left, except buying health insurance.

Bengus81

(8,692 posts)
17. RW Maga nuts still claim that nothing is going on in the SSA. Yeah..nothing that Jesse Waters
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:02 AM
Saturday

will ever tell you about.

yellow dahlia

(2,247 posts)
31. Exactly. Watters and Hannity and the sociopaths on nonnewsmax -
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:30 PM
Saturday

you silly people...nothing to worry about.

Tanuki

(15,803 posts)
14. I'm no attorney, but isn't that a felony?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:41 AM
Saturday

Knowingly falsifying an official government document seems like a serious offense.

Ms. Toad

(36,662 posts)
22. Aren't these idiots supposed to be combatting fraud?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:19 PM
Saturday

Seems to me that deliberately misstating facts (live people are dead) for gain (impeding any financial transactions related to the social security numbers, political gain by ultimately bumping up the deportation number) is fraudulent.

aggiesal

(9,932 posts)
23. Remember, these people that were marked as dead, are here legally ..
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 03:24 PM
Saturday

paying taxes & feeding Social Security.
This screams as an evil racist administration.

SWBTATTReg

(25,170 posts)
25. So are all of these people marked as dead, they will receive their final SS payments now? I think it's $255 or so...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:06 PM
Saturday

Hekate

(97,244 posts)
33. In case you've never experienced this, the SSA would kindly like a refund of anything the survivors got after the death--
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:28 PM
Saturday

…of their loved one. It can be paid out of the person’s estate, whatever that is.

In other words, before Musk and his Flying Monkeys came along, the SSA took very good care of its and our resources, and afaict “fraud” was miniscule.

SWBTATTReg

(25,170 posts)
37. I never did experience anything like this, and I'm not surprised w/ what muskrat and his flying troupe have done.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 12:53 AM
Sunday

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Thanks for the heads up.

turbinetree

(26,028 posts)
26. Now I am waiting for a letter or lack of a deposit...........I really do hate the Federalist Society
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:29 PM
Saturday

and the Heritage Fucking Foundation the same assholes who father use to do business with Stalin............and now look what they are doing to this country the same shit as Stalin............exact same shit..............

DallasNE

(7,752 posts)
27. Why Wouldn't They Come Up With A New Code
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 05:32 PM
Saturday

And have that code function as though the person was dead. What they are doing makes no sense because they are contaminating the database. It sure as hell doesn't pass the best business practices test.

Hekate

(97,244 posts)
34. Please understand: contaminating the database is intentional on their part. The Flying Monkeys of Elon...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:32 PM
Saturday

…are wrecking it all on purpose.

moniss

(7,049 posts)
28. If they are allowed to continue on this path they
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:04 PM
Saturday

can declare any living person to be dead. Once you are declared dead, citizen or immigrant, then they can claim you have no rights because you are dead. I know that sounds like ludicrous legal argument but all off their arguments have been like this and it hasn't stopped them nor have adverse court decisions really stopped them.

Obviously the administrator who didn't want to allow the move was in the right because declaring someone dead who you know is alive is making a false statement and knowingly doing so. It is fraud.

moniss

(7,049 posts)
38. While screening a Fellini flick on the ceiling
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:23 AM
Sunday

in black and white with the sound muted.

Hekate

(97,244 posts)
39. When the world goes mad...
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:26 AM
Sunday

It sounded more fun when Hunter S. Thompson said “When the going gets weird, the weird get going”

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