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BumRushDaShow

(150,989 posts)
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 04:45 AM Mar 18

NOAA's Storm Prediction Center facility among planned DOGE cuts

Source: ABC News

March 17, 2025, 5:11 PM


Despite the deadly storms over the weekend, one of the core government facilities tracking severe thunderstorms and tornadoes, is listed on the website of Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency as one with a planned office closure.

The Storm Prediction Center -- one of several entities housed at the National Weather Center in Norman, Oklahoma -- issues severe weather forecasts across the nation and identifies threat zones where dangerous thunderstorms and tornadoes could move through days in advance.

A spokesperson with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration -- the federal agency that studies and reports on the oceans, atmosphere and coasts as well as oversees the Storm Prediction Center as well as the National Weather Service -- confirmed that the "building lease issue is in flux."

With this latest storm, the Storm Prediction Center began alerting about a potential significant severe weather event across parts of the Midwest and South several days ahead of the first tornadoes. The center also tracks which parts of the country could face critical to extreme fire weather conditions -- as Oklahoma, where the center is located, remains under alert for fire danger after being devastated by deadly blazes over the weekend.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/noaas-storm-prediction-center-facility-planned-doge-cuts/story?id=119882272



SPC is headquartered in Norman, OK, operate "nationally", and will issue alerts like Tornado Watches wherever needed around the country (versus the local NWS offices doing that). Within the past decade or so, they had improved their warning systems so they could narrow potential severe weather impact zones by using "polygons" to carve out the area under the highest threat versus issuing something "county-wide", which helped to reduce the instances of people in areas many miles away from a storm, who got the alert anyway due to being in the county that was warned.

SPC, WPC (Weather Prediction Center) and NWPS (National Water Prediction Service - which monitors the river forecasts, including flooding (and is a new name for the old AHPS (Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service) as of last year), work hand in hand to cover severe weather, and its impacts.
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Best_man23

(5,228 posts)
2. The "private" firms get their storm information from...wait for it...
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 08:00 AM
Mar 18

The NOAA Storm Prediction Center.

Local TV stations, weather podcasters like Ryan Hall Y'all, and storm chasers use data coming out of NOAA's Storm Prediction Center to forecast and intercept storms for research.

The increasingly cynical part of me thinks, 'well, these tornadoes mostly drop in MAGAt country, who cares'.

BumRushDaShow

(150,989 posts)
3. But you have private services like Accuweather
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 08:07 AM
Mar 18

who advertise that they can "predict better" than the NWS (and then they list a single location where they purportedly forecast the temperatures better than the local NWS office ).

IOW, they want that "market".

They DO serve a purpose when it comes to many industries that need short and long-term forecasting for their operations (e.g., agricultural, marine/shipping, aviation, etc). But the unique thing about NOAA's NWS is that they COLLABORATE with neighboring WFOs to provide smooth coverage over larger areas. The private profiteers would never think of doing that because they are "competing for business".

TrumanTheTiger

(43 posts)
4. SPC is within the National Weather Center Building on the OU campus
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 10:05 AM
Mar 18

That particular building also holds a few other things: the Weather Forecast Office (WFO) Norman; the Warning Decision Training Division (WDTD) which teaches new Weather Service (NWS) employees how to issue warnings for tornadoes, severe thunderstorms, and flash floods; and the Hazardous Weather Testbed which tests out new technologies and techniques for weather warnings. Oh: it also has the OU meteorology program.

Oklahomans are very sensitive to weather threats for obvious reasons since some of them know and realize tornadoes don’t care about how one voted. The state has a pretty robust infrastructure in place for dealing with tornadoes: sirens, community storm shelters, partnerships amongst government agencies (federal, state, and local) which works well and gets whatever funding it wants, at least on the state and local level.

SPC used to be the National Severe Storms Forecast Center when it was located in Kansas City, and made the move south on I-35 about 30 years ago.

BumRushDaShow

(150,989 posts)
5. "Oklahomans are very sensitive to weather threats for obvious reasons"
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 10:58 AM
Mar 18

E.g., a couple years ago in Norman itself (I think it may have been an EF2 or EF3)-



Even seeing shit like this is why they are needed -

Martin68

(25,480 posts)
6. Straight out of the Authoritarian Playbook: prohibit all negative or bad news. If it's not reported, it didn't happen.
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 11:39 AM
Mar 18

Saves lot of money on FEMA.

Smackdown2019

(1,283 posts)
7. Thats okay. Hurricane Mar a lago
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 11:41 AM
Mar 18

Hurricane Maralago can sneak up the Atlantic Florida coast without any warnings from anyone and come onto Florida without any knocking... Maybe Trump will think of a gusty windy day on Hole 4.

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