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BumRushDaShow

(150,989 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:45 PM Mar 17

ACLU asks judge to force the Trump administration to state under oath if it violated his court order

Source: AP

Updated 11:02 AM EDT, March 17, 2025


Plaintiffs in a lawsuit filed to halt deportations under a rarely-used 18th century wartime law invoked by President Donald Trump asked a federal judge Monday to force officials to explain under oath whether they violated his court order by removing more than 200 people from the country after it was issued and celebrating it on social media.

The motion marks another escalation in the battle over Trump’s aggressive opening moves in his second term, several of which have been temporarily halted by judges. Trump’s allies have raged over the holds and suggested he does not have to obey them, and some plaintiffs have said it appears the administration is flouting court orders.

On Saturday night, District Judge James E. Boasberg ordered the administration not to deport anyone in its custody over the newly-invoked Alien Enemies Act, which has only been used three times before in U.S. history, all during congressionally-declared wars. Trump issued a proclamation that the 1798 law was newly in effect due to what he claimed was an invasion by the Venezuelan gang, Tren de Aragua.

Trump’s invocation of the act could allow him to deport any noncitizen he says is associated with the gang, without offering proof or even publicly identifying them. The plaintiffs filed their suit on behalf of several Venezuelans in U.S. custody who feared they’d be falsely accused of being Tren de Aragua members and improperly removed from the country.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/aclu-trump-deportations-el-salvador-boasberg-e447c61de031150669d01687edc4b11b

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Lovie777

(18,030 posts)
3. They will lie with a straight face.....
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:52 PM
Mar 17

shithole didn’t even put his hand on the Bible for the 2nd whatever. If any other person especially a opposition party did that, the GQP party would have impeached him/her.

dsc

(52,870 posts)
4. No they won't
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 05:05 PM
Mar 17

it will cost them their bar cards if they do. That is why Guilliani didn't testify to all of the bullshit he was saying in public.

PSPS

(14,476 posts)
5. I don't have faith in the bar. They're very reluctant to do anything with high-profile attorneys.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 05:57 PM
Mar 17

electric_blue68

(20,925 posts)
10. I lived w a roomate who lied w a straight face a lot. I think (and he's bad enough!) I think that triggers me a bit more
Wed Mar 19, 2025, 12:48 AM
Mar 19

As a life long NYC'r he was a nasty man, but wow becoming pResident?! Unbelievable. 😑😔

Shipwack

(2,602 posts)
6. I think the article misstates something important.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:04 PM
Mar 17
Trump’s invocation of the act could allow him to deport any noncitizen he says is associated with the gang, without offering proof or even publicly identifying them.

Can't Trump detain citizens also?

Wasn't the "Alien Enemies Act" also used to round up American citizens of Japaneese (and German) anscestry?

BumRushDaShow

(150,989 posts)
7. The issue here is that the "Alien Enemies Act" is explicitly directed to applying to when the U.S. is "at war"
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:22 PM
Mar 17

with some other country (literally "declared", which was the last time it was used - War of 1812, WW1, WW2).

And in that particular case, it skips over any due process that is normally used with other laws, to detain and/or deport what they consider "enemy combatants" (or alleged ones).

But if they allow this to proceed without any sign of a "war", and let it go unchallenged, then he CAN claim that people are associated with fictitious "state-sponsored" gangs or whatever and detain/deport them.

In the case of Japan, Germany, and Italy - we declared war against those countries and had detention camps (and believe it or not, there were some that housed Germans & Italians - I think some being POWs though, in many places) -



(https://web.archive.org/web/20151215083112/http://www.gaic.info/ShowPage.php?section=History&page=Related_Laws)

45's loons are trying to argue that the Venezuelan gang is like a "country" or is supposedly directed by one (and Maduro). But it still leaves out the obvious fact that we haven't "declared war" on Venezuela!

NotHardly

(2,067 posts)
8. As a matter of fact "YES"
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:35 PM
Mar 17
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

The act provides for the interment of US citizens without due process. The Japanese and Germans during WWII, moreover, those interred lost their homes and businesses... white folks bought them up, you know, white guys.

krkaufman

(13,850 posts)
9. Weak response from judge, so far.
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 12:02 AM
Mar 18

“I will memorialize this in a written order, since apparently my oral orders don’t seem to carry much weight,” Boasberg said.

Just the kind of response that Trump thrives on.

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