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BumRushDaShow

(150,990 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:07 AM Mar 17

'Dictator S**t': Trump's Middle-Of-The-Night Meltdown Nulling Biden Pardons Is Slammed

Source: Huff Post

Mar 17, 2025, 02:28 AM EDT


Donald Trump claimed late Sunday — in a middle-of-the-night rant on his Truth Social platform — that he’d declared the pardons that were issued by his predecessor, former President Joe Biden, before leaving office to be “VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT.”

The president claimed Biden’s pardons were signed by an autopen, seizing on a report last week from a right-wing group which alleged frequent use of the mechanical device in the Biden White House. Commentators used that report to boost allegations of Biden’s cognitive decline. “In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them,” wrote Trump, who also used autopen during his first term.

Trump in the post further warned those who’d been pardoned by Biden — such as members of the House committee that investigated the U.S. Capitol riot, and who weren’t charged with any crime — should now “fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level.”

Trump also shared an image of his first and second term presidential portraits flanking Biden’s as an autopen. And in another post, he wrote: “The person who was the real President during the Biden years was the person who controlled the Autopen!” Critcs slammed Trump’s comments as “dictator shit,” questioned the legality of the post and warned how it could backfire on the president.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-biden-pardons_n_67d7ba6be4b041fe9a9c90c5

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'Dictator S**t': Trump's Middle-Of-The-Night Meltdown Nulling Biden Pardons Is Slammed (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 17 OP
He is regressing into infancy, almost Walleye Mar 17 #1
He is King Canute ordering the tide to stop coming in Botany Mar 17 #26
That's a legend, but the message behind it has been misunderstood. Aristus Mar 17 #38
thanx Botany Mar 17 #39
Just another day in puke paradise Blues Heron Mar 17 #2
Everyday is worse.............. Lovie777 Mar 17 #3
Impeachment wouldn't even get through the House gab13by13 Mar 17 #13
If impeachment wouldn't, the 25th Amendment has even less chance. rsdsharp Mar 17 #50
Another day in Bizzaro America . . . SarcasticSatyr Mar 17 #4
If this is taken seriously by the DOJ and they if prosecute the members of the Jan 6 Committee tetedur Mar 17 #5
He does not claudette Mar 17 #6
Yes, yes, yes, I'm sure they're quaking in their boots. Buddyzbuddy Mar 17 #7
His mind is gelatinous goo C_U_L8R Mar 17 #8
He's already backed down to saying it's not his decision, it's a court's Emrys Mar 17 #9
But Not Before Having Started Another Shit-Storm! Daleuhlmann Mar 17 #57
Trump is becoming more manic with psychosis. Irish_Dem Mar 17 #10
Much of it is on the teleprompter; he didn't write it Evolve Dammit Mar 17 #17
I wonder who is coming up with the ideas, and who is writing the script? Irish_Dem Mar 17 #19
Same Evolve Dammit Mar 17 #28
Steven Miller Deminpenn Mar 17 #37
Time for the men in white coats to take him away surfered Mar 17 #11
I thought this kind of shit wouldn't happen if Governement stayed open?? Bengus81 Mar 17 #12
Passing the CR has emboldened Krasnov. gab13by13 Mar 17 #14
Bullseye - In Point Of Fact It Does Just The Opposite - It Emboldens The Fascists Further MayReasonRule Mar 17 #15
Hey, Chuck knows better than you do! durablend Mar 17 #25
It had better fucking backfire. 2naSalit Mar 17 #16
Distraction from the looming economic collapse. bronxiteforever Mar 17 #18
Soon... Jughead Mar 17 #20
Why doesn't he just fucking die already? Orrex Mar 17 #21
President JD Vance is a pretty enormous downside. VTderry Mar 17 #58
Yeah, but that'll probably happen anyway Orrex Mar 17 #61
Are we great again yet? Mr. Evil Mar 17 #22
Yup Joinfortmill Mar 17 #24
Impeach him! Joinfortmill Mar 17 #23
All Biden would have to do is say he knew and approved of the pardons. JohnnyRingo Mar 17 #27
Yes, and Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time! Emrys Mar 17 #40
The Rainman4u2C Mar 18 #63
The principle is the same. A president's hand doesn't need hold a pen contacting paper for it the signature be valid. Emrys Mar 18 #64
Who's going to tell him he is not wearing any cloths? multigraincracker Mar 17 #29
The implications of this are obvious. I'd bet everything I own that shitler used an autopen Mc Mike Mar 17 #30
He probably used it everytime he was at Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster BumRushDaShow Mar 17 #31
Yep. He's even more lazy than Harding, Raygun, li'l bush. The laziest nazi Mc Mike Mar 17 #35
It's a smash hit. dchill Mar 17 #32
All Trumps Covid checks are void because Johonny Mar 17 #33
snorkk AllaN01Bear Mar 17 #34
He needs to be treated like a rabid animal. Texin Mar 17 #36
"Biden's cognitive decline" Dave Bowman Mar 17 #41
_ LudwigPastorius Mar 17 #62
The plan to end democracy Playingmantis Mar 17 #42
Interestingly enough, it was the Heritage Foundation D. Spaulding Mar 17 #43
The Heritage Foundation actually has some educated people who READ the news and know how to research FakeNoose Mar 17 #59
So.... Just Jerome Mar 17 #44
First FUCK TRUMP......see I can do what he does ..............second what size helmet rubber does he wear............. turbinetree Mar 17 #45
Make the call... Moostache Mar 17 #46
.....A week ago, the Heritage Foundation, one of Washington's leading conservative think tanks and behind much of this a riversedge Mar 17 #47
Middle of the night post Bayard Mar 17 #48
Would this mean that all of trumps pardons can be nulled and voided also ? republianmushroom Mar 17 #49
He gets everything he wants and still isnt happy. prodigitalson Mar 17 #51
MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have LetMyPeopleVote Mar 17 #52
presidents have used Autopens for decades mike_c Mar 17 #53
This is manufactured like the nonsense he spewed about everyone else "using a teleprompter" BumRushDaShow Mar 17 #55
"...Trump, who also used autopen during his first term." Beartracks Mar 17 #54
Is he dead yet? Blue Owl Mar 17 #56
Pretty sure his brain is ... FakeNoose Mar 17 #60

Walleye

(39,645 posts)
1. He is regressing into infancy, almost
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:10 AM
Mar 17

All of this kind of shit sounds like it’s coming from Stephen Miller. Someone subpoena that asshole.

Aristus

(69,697 posts)
38. That's a legend, but the message behind it has been misunderstood.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:45 AM
Mar 17

Cnut was a wise and conscientious ruler. The story goes that he ordered the tide to come in no further as a lesson to his fawning, obsequious courtiers, who acted as if he had godlike powers. When the tide came in nonetheless, he proved to them that he didn't.

Lovie777

(18,030 posts)
3. Everyday is worse..............
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:17 AM
Mar 17

shithole musk republicans in their continuance of terrorizing the USA and her people. Same for the use to be USA's allies.

25th amendment - impeachment is pass due.

gab13by13

(27,752 posts)
13. Impeachment wouldn't even get through the House
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:04 AM
Mar 17

let alone the Senate.

Stopping the horrible CR was a better option.

tetedur

(1,233 posts)
5. If this is taken seriously by the DOJ and they if prosecute the members of the Jan 6 Committee
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:55 AM
Mar 17

does that mean there would be a trial on Trump's indictments concerning the attempted coup?

I know his indictments were not against the law and this declaration is him trying to throw shit in the air. It would be interesting if we finally get a jury trial on what he did because he insists on it.

claudette

(5,285 posts)
6. He does not
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:06 AM
Mar 17

have the power to do that. Former presidents may have entertained the idea but were sane and intelligent enough to know that they could not do it.

He is truly insane

Buddyzbuddy

(718 posts)
7. Yes, yes, yes, I'm sure they're quaking in their boots.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:16 AM
Mar 17

Now go to bed, little Felon. You have a big day tomorrow, lots of explaining to do. Oh no, it's already time to start your day or are you still getting up at the crack of noon?

Emrys

(8,574 posts)
9. He's already backed down to saying it's not his decision, it's a court's
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:00 AM
Mar 17

Sure got his MAGAts stirred up, though. All of a sudden everyone's an expert on legal use of autopens and the like.

 

Daleuhlmann

(618 posts)
57. But Not Before Having Started Another Shit-Storm!
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 04:47 PM
Mar 17

Last edited Tue Mar 18, 2025, 02:44 AM - Edit history (1)

The president's pardon power is absolute--period, and end of story!

Bengus81

(8,699 posts)
12. I thought this kind of shit wouldn't happen if Governement stayed open??
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:04 AM
Mar 17

Just the NEW beginning of what WILL happen with Government open. Republicans still laughing at the gang of TEN that got em' over the finish line last week.

gab13by13

(27,752 posts)
14. Passing the CR has emboldened Krasnov.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:07 AM
Mar 17

Passing that CR will not protect our Social Security.

MayReasonRule

(3,158 posts)
15. Bullseye - In Point Of Fact It Does Just The Opposite - It Emboldens The Fascists Further
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:19 AM
Mar 17

The ongoing criminal organization that is the GOP is wholly fascist.
They're installing an theocratic, fascist, autocratic y ruled by Y'all Qaeda's criminal horde.

Those that support the same.. are the same.

I am thoroughly disgusted with any that pander to the fascists.
Those individuals are not fighting for us, they're fighting for personal power.

Fuck those individuals.

VTderry

(18 posts)
58. President JD Vance is a pretty enormous downside.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 06:21 PM
Mar 17

Just as evil and, sadly, not as stupid as Trump.

Orrex

(65,035 posts)
61. Yeah, but that'll probably happen anyway
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:06 PM
Mar 17

And he doesn't have the full slack-jawed worship of the KKKult, either.

On the plus side, if he slimes his way into the presidency, then that'll give me something new to wish for.

Mr. Evil

(3,251 posts)
22. Are we great again yet?
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:59 AM
Mar 17

This blabbering shit smelling toddler and his billionaire bros have got to go! Whatever it takes.

JohnnyRingo

(19,847 posts)
27. All Biden would have to do is say he knew and approved of the pardons.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:11 AM
Mar 17

Since Trump claims someone else used autopen as the basis for reversing them, if Biden approved it's perfectly legal.
It was anyway.

Emrys

(8,574 posts)
40. Yes, and Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time!
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:58 AM
Mar 17

Trump's trying to say he was so gaga, he didn't know what was being signed, based on some bullshit that's been circulating in the RW alt media, emanating from the same bozos who wrote Project 2025 and are relying on the supposed statement of a conveniently anonymous staffer whose story, even if they exist, has been refuted by other Biden staffers. Biden's even on camera signing at least some if not all of the documents they're disputing! - https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-autopen-drama-explained-nullify-pardons-legally-binding-2045775

Trump himself has used autopen at times. It's been used by presidents since the time of Thomas Jefferson, and the validity of autopen signatures was upheld in court in 2005. Biden used autopen relatively seldom anyway.

Rainman4u2C

(56 posts)
63. The
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 08:42 AM
Mar 18

auto pen Jefferson used is nothing even comparable to today's. The one Jefferson used we basically a real time copy machine while the original writer was writing.

Emrys

(8,574 posts)
64. The principle is the same. A president's hand doesn't need hold a pen contacting paper for it the signature be valid.
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 01:37 PM
Mar 18

The technology advanced over time, and many presidents have used autopen over the years without it ever being challenged.

I don't know whether you're nitpcking or you think there's something to this nonsense that Biden's pardons are invalid because of the use of autopen.

Mc Mike

(9,216 posts)
30. The implications of this are obvious. I'd bet everything I own that shitler used an autopen
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:15 AM
Mar 17

for the thousands of pardons he's issued.

Mc Mike

(9,216 posts)
35. Yep. He's even more lazy than Harding, Raygun, li'l bush. The laziest nazi
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:28 AM
Mar 17

in world history.

Johonny

(23,384 posts)
33. All Trumps Covid checks are void because
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:23 AM
Mar 17

They were signed by an auto pen. I expect every MAGA to return the money immediately to show their hatred of autopens

Playingmantis

(387 posts)
42. The plan to end democracy
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:02 AM
Mar 17

He will now instruct his lacky at the FBI to arrest these people and will simply disregard any order by any court to ever release them..
This is when our 250 year experiment in democracy and rule of law ends.,.,as predicted by many in the past.
And his base will cheer!

D. Spaulding

(167 posts)
43. Interestingly enough, it was the Heritage Foundation
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:08 AM
Mar 17

spreading the lie about the "autopen"; shows exactly how strong their propaganda influence on big orange is.

"Joe Biden Autopen Drama Explained"

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-autopen-drama-explained-nullify-pardons-legally-binding-2045775

FakeNoose

(37,171 posts)
59. The Heritage Foundation actually has some educated people who READ the news and know how to research
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 07:34 PM
Mar 17

... unlike the rest of the MAGAs who can only read and remember Xweets. That's why Heritage and Federalist are so dangerous, they're calling the shots for the extremely stupid Repukes.

turbinetree

(26,028 posts)
45. First FUCK TRUMP......see I can do what he does ..............second what size helmet rubber does he wear.............
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:11 AM
Mar 17

and where is there the insane asylum in Florida............we the people demand that we just by-pass the legal shit and just throw him in there .................now............dictator shit that's a new one...............

Moostache

(10,446 posts)
46. Make the call...
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:27 AM
Mar 17

Pretend you are a poultry farmer.
You see a rabid wolf in the fields surrounding your hen house.
The wolf starts making lunging attacks at your hens.
What is the proper course of action in such a case?

We are facing a rabid wolf right now...do you wait until half the hens are eaten? 3/4? all of them?
Do you surrender to the wolf and just open the doors and hope that it gets full before it attacks you?

There is a menace to humanity on the loose.
Apply appropriately.

riversedge

(75,106 posts)
47. .....A week ago, the Heritage Foundation, one of Washington's leading conservative think tanks and behind much of this a
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 10:31 AM
Mar 17



Trump says that the pardons signed by Biden "are null" and threatens the congressmen
he blames for the "witch hunt" against him
Story by Pablo R. Suanzes • 4h • 5 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-that-the-pardons-signed-by-biden-are-null-and-threatens-the-congressmen-he-blames-for-the-witch-hunt-against-him/ar-AA1B4dJ2?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=a71bb0b0f111456fb59f42e642c2365b&ei=5

Ah, looks like the Heritage Foundation is behind this crap!!


............A week ago, the Heritage Foundation, one of Washington's leading conservative think tanks and behind much of this administration's program, published a report stating that many documents signed by President Joe Biden, including dozens of executive orders, were signed with an automatic pen, questioning who was pulling the strings during the former president's four-year term.

"WHOEVER CONTROLLED THE AUTOMATIC PEN CONTROLLED THE PRESIDENCY," wrote the Oversight Project in a post last Thursday. "We collected all the documents we could find with Biden's signature throughout his presidency. All used the same signature with an automatic pen, except for the announcement that the former president was withdrawing from the race last year," the document explains.

Since then, Trump and his team have been pondering. The Autopen is a very common tool that presidents (including Trump), senators, congressmen, and state officials have been using for decades. The issue is not the tool but the decision. If it has the politician's approval, it's normal. If it's done without their knowledge and approval, it's illegal and a serious offense. The narrative circulating in Washington these days goes in that direction, with conservative publications like The New York Post, owned by Rupert Murdoch, stating that a close assistant of Biden could have been making decisions without his boss's knowledge, being the shadow president.

Something that in the case of the pardons makes no sense because they were very controversial decisions, well thought out, and above all, very personal. However, what Trump's advisors are looking for is an indirect way to get to the bottom of it. "For investigators to determine if then-President Biden actually ordered the signing of relevant legal documents, or if he even had the mental capacity to do so, they must first determine who controlled the automatic pen and what controls were in place," stated the Heritage Foundation's Oversight Project, suggesting that the president was not fit and therefore the decisions are not legitimate. The former president is covered by immunity, but his team is not. That's why, for example, Missouri's Republican attorney general, Andrew Bailey, sent a letter to the Department of Justice last Wednesday demanding an investigation into whether Biden's "cognitive decline" allowed unelected personnel to push radical policies without his consent. To be investigated.

On Friday, from the Oval Office and while discussing military spending, Trump lashed out at his predecessor, calling him an "extremely incompetent man. Just take a look to see that he signs with an automatic pen. Who signs all this with an automatic pen? Who would sign important documents with an automatic pen?" Trump asked journalists, boasting about how he signs all his executive orders in person, often in front of cameras. "The documents you sign are important, and you take pride in signing them. Can you imagine if everything was signed with an automatic pen? It should never have happened," he said disdainfully.

"Our practice regarding the use of the Autopen is much more restrictive than that of most previous administrations. We do not use it for documents exercising presidential powers. For example, we do not use it for executive orders, presidential memoranda, decision memoranda, nominations, orders or appointment commissions, or for bills that need to be signed. We do not even use it for more routine purposes, such as inviting foreign leaders to the White House. The president personally signs all these documents, in the presence of witnesses. Occasionally, we will use it when a single document requires multiple presidential signatures, or when multiple copies of the same document require signing, but only after the president has personally signed and solely under his direction," states a memorandum distributed by Trump's team accessed by the New York Post.

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LetMyPeopleVote

(161,784 posts)
52. MaddowBlog-Trump says he's invalidating some Biden pardons, claiming power he doesn't have
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 01:42 PM
Mar 17

Donald Trump doesn’t have the authority to invalidate Joe Biden’s pardons. The Republican is apparently simply asserting the right anyway.
https://bsky.app/profile/stevebenen.com/post/3lkl4fw6uek22

If you're just getting up, shortly after midnight, Trump simply asserted that he has the authority to invalidate some of Biden's pardons – which is every bit as radical and bonkers as it seems



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-says-s-invalidating-biden-pardons-claiming-power-doesnt-rcna196671

There’s a lot to unpack in this 158-word harangue, and there’s probably no point in highlighting every individual error of fact and judgment. The bottom line, however, is relatively straightforward: Trump claims that Biden didn’t actually sign pardons for members of the bipartisan House Jan. 6 committee, so as far as the Republican is concerned, prosecutors are free to go after them, despite the fact that there’s literally no evidence that they did anything wrong.

The entire pitch is based on the president’s apparent belief that (a) his immediate predecessor used an autopen to sign the pardons; (b) documents signed by autopens don’t count; and (c) Biden suffered from mental deterioration to such a horrific degree that he wasn’t aware of his own policies and preferences.

The first point is dubious, given that there’s no evidence that Biden used the tool to issue the pardons; the second point appears unsupported by law; and the third point is offensive on its face.

But let’s also not lose sight of the forest for the trees: For the first time in American history, a sitting president is asserting the right to invalidate a predecessor’s pardons.

In other words, as the United States deals with a sustained offensive against the rule of law, Trump has made up a new power for himself that does not exist.

To be sure, there’s often a disconnect between what Trump says he’s doing and what he’s actually doing. The Republican has now claimed in writing that he’s voiding some Biden-era pardons, but given recent history, it’s entirely possible that in the coming hours and days, the White House will pretend he never actually published such a message. Perhaps, in other words, this radicalism will soon be forgotten.

But if Trump seriously takes steps to undo Biden's pardons, because he feels like it, the coming fight will be dramatic.

Even though trump's full tweet was in this article, I did not include it in this post. I do my best to NOT post trump's rants directly,
I have seen that trump really wants to go after Liz Cheney and other J6 Committee members. If trump tries to claim that pardons he dislikes are invalid, it will be a fun fight.

mike_c

(36,526 posts)
53. presidents have used Autopens for decades
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 01:45 PM
Mar 17

My ex used to work for the company that makes them, in northern Virginia. Every modern president has used them. If TSF doesn't, it's only because he loves to see himself signing things. The Autopen signature cannot be distinguished from the signer's actual hand. It is identical, excepting variation, but it's actually drawn by the Autopen machine each time it signs. It's not a photocopy or digital reproduction.

BumRushDaShow

(150,990 posts)
55. This is manufactured like the nonsense he spewed about everyone else "using a teleprompter"
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 01:51 PM
Mar 17

while reading that crap from a teleprompter.

Beartracks

(13,858 posts)
54. "...Trump, who also used autopen during his first term."
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 01:49 PM
Mar 17

That's all you need to know right there. More hypocritical performance theater, like criticizing your opponent for using a teleprompter while using a teleprompter.

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