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HereForTheParty

(841 posts)
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 07:45 PM Mar 10

Ukraine Must Cede Territory in Any Peace Deal, Rubio Says

Source: New York Times

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

“The most important thing that we have to leave here with is a strong sense that Ukraine is prepared to do difficult things, like the Russians are going to have to do difficult things to end this conflict or at least pause it in some way, shape or form,” Mr. Rubio told reporters.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/us/politics/rubio-ukraine-russia.html

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Ukraine Must Cede Territory in Any Peace Deal, Rubio Says (Original Post) HereForTheParty Mar 10 OP
Fuck him. bluestarone Mar 10 #1
This reply sums it up! HereForTheParty Mar 10 #2
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 10 #3
Right. Easterncedar Mar 10 #12
who's a good boy?! Skittles Mar 10 #4
Not on topic but BOSSHOG Mar 10 #15
Let's give Florida to Russia. Those poor, cold people need some fun and sun Attilatheblond Mar 11 #46
Sold his soul. cilla4progress Mar 10 #5
Probably DENVERPOPS Mar 11 #42
He prolly got the time tested threat/reward. johnnyfins Mar 11 #56
Cede them back Kursk CanonRay Mar 10 #6
Give 'em Florida. It's already full of Putin's buddies. jls4561 Mar 10 #7
The "I love Russia" crowd are really not trying to hide it anymore. Mr. Sparkle Mar 10 #8
Same shit, different day................. Lovie777 Mar 10 #9
Marco bronxiteforever Mar 10 #10
I hope Ukraine allies itself with European powers ready to defend it. nt Gore1FL Mar 10 #11
What difficult things are Russia to deal with? Deuxcents Mar 10 #13
Who the fuck is rubio speaking for? He sure isn't speaking for Ukraine. JohnSJ Mar 10 #14
he's speaking for TRUMP Skittles Mar 10 #16
It isn't up to trump either. The art of the deal, my ass. JohnSJ Mar 10 #18
Nails it. republianmushroom Mar 10 #21
When Marco Rubio burps ... AZJonnie Mar 11 #55
Zelensky himself said something similar in February Polybius Mar 10 #25
Since both Trump and the Russians have totally dismissed the idea of Ukraine ever joining NATO, Emrys Mar 11 #50
True, but that's just the starting negotiation Polybius Mar 11 #52
Since Trump keeps moving the goalposts for Ukraine, Emrys Mar 11 #53
His real employer is Fox News. Initech Mar 12 #65
Mark Ruby JPK Mar 10 #17
Don't insult my cat meow2u3 Mar 10 #28
Screw you Rubio , your no better as Sec. of State as you were a Senator, you fluked both jobs. republianmushroom Mar 10 #19
FU you little weasel! PortTack Mar 10 #20
A surrender monkey proclaiming peace in our time. Torchlight Mar 10 #22
And what hard things exactly Figarosmom Mar 10 #23
Insist Ukraine gives away all its cards, then tell it it doesn't have any cards. n/t Emrys Mar 10 #24
Reading the rest of the article Libloom Mar 10 #26
What. A. Tool. Charlie Chapulin Mar 10 #27
Oh, just shut up, Little Marco. Joinfortmill Mar 10 #29
Why? Ellipsis Mar 10 #30
Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for their independence from Russia. surfered Mar 10 #31
A Cuban who Dictator Castro would love! And what is expected of Putin??? OrlandoDem2 Mar 10 #32
I hate to say Trump was right. But when he called Marco Rubio "Little Marco," he was right. Doodley Mar 10 #33
Screw you, Marco, drumphf & Eloon! Skava Ukraini!💛 💚 electric_blue68 Mar 10 #34
FO asshole. 58Sunliner Mar 10 #35
Fuck Rubio and his appeasement of an imperialist fascist. Let's give them Florida instead! Martin68 Mar 10 #36
Why does Rubio think he's entitled to give away another country's territory? dlk Mar 10 #37
Which encourages more invasions of other countries IronLionZion Mar 10 #38
That embarrassing little prick Mr. Evil Mar 10 #39
Cede Moscow usonian Mar 10 #40
Rubios plea for peace BGRD Mar 10 #41
The world's biggest cocksucker for Putin RainCaster Mar 11 #43
Shut the fuck up and go get your shine box, Pequeno. LudwigPastorius Mar 11 #44
He is an imbecile BrianTheEVGuy Mar 11 #45
Tell us Mblaze Mar 11 #47
Fuck all the way off, Marco. camartinwv Mar 11 #48
Fuck OFF little ChickenSHIT rubio... GD Wass MF. Cha Mar 11 #49
Shut up, traitor. They were invaded unprovoked. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 11 #51
Fuck you, Rubio ReRe Mar 11 #54
The really disgusting issue concerning blue-wave Mar 11 #57
Fuck his sorry ass. I'm going to look up some bible verses Maraya1969 Mar 11 #58
Hopefully the rest of the European Union will not let that happen bob4460 Mar 11 #59
And what is Russia ceding? sinkingfeeling Mar 11 #60
If you side with and enable a war criminal, jayschool2013 Mar 11 #61
Give them Alabama. Swede Mar 11 #62
WTF, they are not negotiating, completely dog and pony show JCMach1 Mar 11 #63
Fuck you Marco Rubio!!! Initech Mar 12 #64

BOSSHOG

(42,072 posts)
15. Not on topic but
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 08:29 PM
Mar 10

Saw a joke, two dogs talking. One says they’re always asking me, who’s a good boy? Hell, I don’t know.

Marco is a eunuch. No statesmen is he.

Attilatheblond

(5,649 posts)
46. Let's give Florida to Russia. Those poor, cold people need some fun and sun
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 12:21 AM
Mar 11

We could throw in Alabama too.

Tough scoobies for all the landowners there. They might do ok after the Russians teach them to speak Russian and live without rights or any freedom.

Sure. Let's just all start giving other's people's lands to Russia. Seems legit. I bet Trump will get some money on the side, but he will have to find a new sketchy bank thru which to launder it all.

DENVERPOPS

(11,760 posts)
42. Probably
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 12:02 AM
Mar 11

just a promise for future favors..........My bet is that alot of these clowns are gonna go to the curb or under a bus before long.....

johnnyfins

(1,967 posts)
56. He prolly got the time tested threat/reward.
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 03:38 AM
Mar 11

Some type of kompromat was shown to him along with a promise of money and/or power.

Sound like the mob? It is.

Polybius

(19,769 posts)
25. Zelensky himself said something similar in February
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 09:20 PM
Mar 10
“Judicially, we will not recognize … our occupied territory like territory of Russia. We will never do it,” he said in English, while conceding that he’d be willing to discuss giving up occupied territory as part of a diplomatic deal where Ukraine could join NATO.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/zelenskyy-outlines-vision-peace-talks-natos-future-say-putin-rcna192319

Emrys

(8,572 posts)
50. Since both Trump and the Russians have totally dismissed the idea of Ukraine ever joining NATO,
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 01:58 AM
Mar 11

to claim Zelensky said "something similar" is quite a stretch.

Polybius

(19,769 posts)
52. True, but that's just the starting negotiation
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 02:19 AM
Mar 11

I can almost guarantee that once a peace plan happens (and eventually, it will), some land will be given up. It's unfortunate, but we will see.

Emrys

(8,572 posts)
53. Since Trump keeps moving the goalposts for Ukraine,
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 02:32 AM
Mar 11

any starting position is highly likely to worsen at Trump's whim. So far, any move by Ukraine to comply with any demands from the US has been taken as a sign of weakness and led to more conditions being set for them.

On the other hand, no demands at all have been made of Russia. Indeed, all it's said publicly about the talks so far is that it has no intention of compromising on any issues. But Trump the mindreader says that Putin wants peace and that's good enough for Trump, and we're supposed to nod along.

This is not a negotiation, it's a stick-up. Ukraine's international allies know this, but for the moment it's necessary to play along with Trump to see what may end up being on offer as the stakes are high. Meanwhile, the allies have their own stances. I think it's only a matter of time before the current "negotiations" are dismissed, as all that's happening is the American side is looking to make nice with Russia. That has nothing beneficial to do with Ukraine's future, or indeed Europe's, but Trump's trying to pretend it does.

Nevertheless, I still object strongly to your framing it as Zelensky having said "something similar". That's bullshit. Ignoring his vital proviso of NATO membership twists his intention out of all recognition. Trump and co. are doing plenty of that already and don't need any help.

As for your "guarantee", what's that worth?

Initech

(104,501 posts)
65. His real employer is Fox News.
Wed Mar 12, 2025, 01:06 AM
Mar 12

As are pretty much anyone associated with the MAGA criminal cabal. Fox News isn't a news network, it's a multi level marketing firm and all the people on their payroll can't help but spew their shit on that channel 24/7.

meow2u3

(25,125 posts)
28. Don't insult my cat
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 09:32 PM
Mar 10

My cat Ruby is highly offended. She doesn't want to be compared to a wuss, or a p**sy.

republianmushroom

(19,488 posts)
19. Screw you Rubio , your no better as Sec. of State as you were a Senator, you fluked both jobs.
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 08:37 PM
Mar 10

Tell Putin and you brown nosing boss that russia should live up to and honor their treaty with Ukraine. Which russia agree to and signed in 1990's. That they would not invade Ukraine.

Torchlight

(4,536 posts)
22. A surrender monkey proclaiming peace in our time.
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 08:51 PM
Mar 10

Hey, it's just Austria, Chekoslovakia, and the Polish Corridor, no big deal.

Rube, here's how it's achieved: Putin turns and leaves sovereign territory. Anything else is a malignant failure belonging to you, Putin, and Trump alone, nobody else.

Figarosmom

(5,212 posts)
23. And what hard things exactly
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 09:16 PM
Mar 10

Is Russia going to do? Give up the land that the Ukrnians took and are occupying? Or what? TELL ME!

It seems to me the only one having to do the gard things is Ukraine. Why do Ukrainians that don't want to be Russians have to be unless they move from their homes, because the UNITED STATES says their homes must be Russian now.

Libloom

(48 posts)
26. Reading the rest of the article
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 09:23 PM
Mar 10

It looks like the "difficult things" Russia has to give up is the trying to conquer all of Ukraine and Ukraine has to give up trying to stop them.

surfered

(6,210 posts)
31. Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for their independence from Russia.
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 09:37 PM
Mar 10

Russia subsequently invaded them. If Rubio says Ukraine should cede territory, what’s to prevent Russia from later taking another bite of the apple? Certainly not Marco Rubio.

OrlandoDem2

(2,724 posts)
32. A Cuban who Dictator Castro would love! And what is expected of Putin???
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 09:47 PM
Mar 10

Say ONE thing that Putin must give up! They haven’t said one goddamn thing that the Russians MUST give up!!

dlk

(12,614 posts)
37. Why does Rubio think he's entitled to give away another country's territory?
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 10:52 PM
Mar 10

Maybe Cuba would like to take Florida. It makes about as much sense.

IronLionZion

(48,495 posts)
38. Which encourages more invasions of other countries
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 11:29 PM
Mar 10

Russia could take a piece of Lithuania next, then more of Georgia and Moldova, and so on. Art of the steal

Mr. Evil

(3,248 posts)
39. That embarrassing little prick
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 11:40 PM
Mar 10

could fuck up a steel ball. Russia signed a treaty with Ukraine in 1997 with the promise not to invade each other. Guess who broke that treaty in 2014? Anything that Rubio tries to get anyone to sign will be immediately worthless. It's the same old 'if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.' As long as Putin is in power Russia cannot be trusted! Ever!

Rubio is so far out of his depth right now he could drown in a half-inch of water... or just trying to drink some.

BGRD

(14 posts)
41. Rubios plea for peace
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 11:47 PM
Mar 10

One of Putin's close allies is demands Alaska be "returned" to Russia because Russia was "robbed" when the US purchased it off Russia in 1867. Why doesn't Rubio offer Alaska as a gift to his Russian masters instead of territory that does not belong to the US, since he is so interested in peace.

RainCaster

(12,639 posts)
43. The world's biggest cocksucker for Putin
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 12:07 AM
Mar 11

A traitor to our country, Little Marko should be tried for treason, just like TSF.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
45. He is an imbecile
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 12:10 AM
Mar 11

The USA has no legitimate role in dictating terms to a victim of invasion by a hostile foreign country. Period.

Mblaze

(533 posts)
47. Tell us
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 12:40 AM
Mar 11

What difficult thing is Putin going to have to do. Settle into the territory he invaded?

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
51. Shut up, traitor. They were invaded unprovoked.
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 02:11 AM
Mar 11

Genocide has been committed against them, and still is.

Every American remains committed to the defense of Ukraine.

blue-wave

(4,604 posts)
57. The really disgusting issue concerning
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 03:59 AM
Mar 11

Marco's territory position is this:

In 1932-1933 the Holodomor, a genocide against the Ukrainians primarily living in the Donbas region was committed by Russia. If they give the Russians the Donbas, it will be an endorsement of genocide.

In 1944, the Russians ethnically cleansed Crimea of the Crimean Tatars. This is also widely recognized as a genocide.

Why in the hell are we rewarding Russia for genocide?

Maraya1969

(23,239 posts)
58. Fuck his sorry ass. I'm going to look up some bible verses
Tue Mar 11, 2025, 04:08 AM
Mar 11

to send on his voicemail since he always posted them on X. I'm sure I can find a couple that showcase his amazing hypocrisy.


EDIT - Here - https://dos.fl.gov/library-archives/research/florida-information/government/federal-information/contact-your-national-representatives/

Initech

(104,501 posts)
64. Fuck you Marco Rubio!!!
Wed Mar 12, 2025, 12:58 AM
Mar 12

It's fucking insane that we have a James Bond level supervillain in Moscow and half of this country isn't just letting him win, they're cheerleading him and saying he's the good guy! WTF!!! We should be bombing Putin's sorry ass back to the stone age!

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