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FightFight

(39 posts)
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:35 PM Yesterday

Democrats suspect Netanyahu attempting to tilt Trump-Harris race

Source: thehill

Democrats increasingly suspect Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to interfere in U.S. domestic politics by ignoring President Biden’s calls to negotiate a peace deal in Gaza and by confronting Hezbollah and Iran weeks before the U.S. election.

The rapidly escalating confrontation between Israel, Hezbollah and Hezbollah’s ally, Iran, has undercut Biden’s efforts to achieve peace through diplomacy.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4914933-netanyahu-gaza-hezbollah-interference/

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Democrats suspect Netanyahu attempting to tilt Trump-Harris race (Original Post) FightFight Yesterday OP
No doubt in my mind. bluestarone Yesterday #1
Oil OrangeJoe 23 hrs ago #34
Yes. Israel begged for 150 bombs to come to their jimfields33 23 hrs ago #35
NO DOUBT here either! vapor2 23 hrs ago #37
Ya think? BeyondGeography Yesterday #2
People better wake up and think about America before they defer their thoughts to Israel. walkingman Yesterday #3
We all knew this Owens Yesterday #4
No doubt in my mind the day it leaked that he'd met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago. hlthe2b Yesterday #5
Exactly, and this meeting should be brought up slightlv Yesterday #24
Um, it's Certain Radical Christian Groups, Not All Religious people. Certainly not the Jews of Israel electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #43
Granted... it's what's now called the NAR. slightlv 22 hrs ago #44
No Problemo! 👍 I've heard about these Middle East Apocalyptic wanting RW Christians for a few decades... electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #46
Never heard of the Ultra-Orthodox Right Wing whathehell 19 hrs ago #54
I sure know about the Ultra Orthodox Jews of Israel, and propping up Bibi; but I didn't think they were into the.. electric_blue68 19 hrs ago #56
Lol..No Apocalyptic scenario needed. whathehell 18 hrs ago #59
Suspect? joanbarnes Yesterday #6
asshole wants to stay out of jail... bahboo Yesterday #7
That theory falls apart quickly. former9thward Yesterday #8
It would be right if Kamala was to remember Nuttinyahoo and his behavior RainCaster Yesterday #9
Boost!!! wolfie001 Yesterday #10
No shit ... Intractable Yesterday #11
I've been saying this for some time. I just hope people are smart enough to see through it. Autumn Yesterday #12
He's Israel's trump PSPS Yesterday #13
My first thought Linda ladeewolf Yesterday #14
Both tRump & Netanyahu are criminals under indictment with self-preservation motivations. tRump wants to self-pardon. nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #15
I take even a larger step... FormerOstrich Yesterday #16
This is way out there in far left field, slightlv Yesterday #25
Well, cut off the weapons. onecaliberal Yesterday #17
It goes without saying to me. There is absolutely no doubt Bev54 Yesterday #18
I agree. But also, Netanyahu is in general, a dickwad, and doesn't want to give up power (he was on the edge of SWBTATTReg Yesterday #19
Sow the wind, Bibi... n/t TygrBright Yesterday #20
Who will reap the whirlwind? Autumn Yesterday #30
Children in the Middle East OrangeJoe 23 hrs ago #36
💧💧💧 mahina 23 hrs ago #40
Yup. He's corrupt as hell. Joinfortmill Yesterday #21
Duh. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #22
In other news..... Lulu KC Yesterday #23
So . . . . no_hypocrisy Yesterday #26
No shit Sherlock. NoMoreRepugs Yesterday #27
If Putin Can, Why Not Him?? The Roux Comes First Yesterday #28
Not just Democrats and not just Netanyahu. ancianita Yesterday #29
Hmmmm BrianTheEVGuy 18 hrs ago #58
Yes. ancianita 15 hrs ago #60
Fascists tend to stick together kevink077 23 hrs ago #31
Pull their funding. 33taw 23 hrs ago #32
AIPAC OrangeJoe 23 hrs ago #38
Huh they're just realizing it now ! kimbutgar 23 hrs ago #33
Also, rain suspected of wetness. mahina 23 hrs ago #39
I don't know enough about Israeli politics, but you Have Seen the Gigantic Israeli Demos vids against Bibi posted here electric_blue68 22 hrs ago #45
Yes, thank you, heart's with them! mahina 22 hrs ago #48
Me, too! electric_blue68 21 hrs ago #49
Suspect edhopper 22 hrs ago #41
No suspect about it orangecrush 22 hrs ago #42
Obviously anyone who speaks ill of Netanyahu must be a pro-Hamas antisemite Orrex 22 hrs ago #47
Recommended. H2O Man 20 hrs ago #50
Wait until November 6. MadMike47 20 hrs ago #51
Of course he is Figarosmom 20 hrs ago #52
Why don't Democrats get ahead of this LiberalLovinLug 20 hrs ago #53
Netanyahu bull$hitted to SECSTATE Blinken and D/CIA Burns. Smells like 1980 GOP tactics to weaken Carter. C0RI0LANUS 19 hrs ago #55
Not everything is about the USA BrianTheEVGuy 18 hrs ago #57
No duh, Sherlock. Honestly, why do we even support Netanyahu? It has done no good for the US tornado34jh 13 hrs ago #61
It's as obvious as the nose on my face. lark 13 hrs ago #62
He's always been in the tank for Trump. The Wizard 13 hrs ago #63
Where there's smoke, there's fire. no_hypocrisy 12 hrs ago #64
If they are trying that nonsense, it ain't gonna work. valleyrogue 10 hrs ago #65

OrangeJoe

(381 posts)
34. Oil
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:04 PM
23 hrs ago

Just wait until the IDF takes out the Iranian oil producing facilities and gas jumps another .50 a gallon. Biden asked BiBi not to do it. I like Joe but he’s got to get tougher with BiBi, but of course that risks inciting the $$rath$$ of AIPAC.

jimfields33

(18,255 posts)
35. Yes. Israel begged for 150 bombs to come to their
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:05 PM
23 hrs ago

land from Iran. Yes they definitely wanted october 7th. That’s ridiculous. Israel doesn’t my attack unless someone attacks them.

walkingman

(8,151 posts)
3. People better wake up and think about America before they defer their thoughts to Israel.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 05:53 PM
Yesterday

Without a steady leader in the US the world could easily become just another autocratic government which would be a terrible for Democracies around the world.

We cannot elect a person to be the most powerful leader on the planet that we would not even want to expose our children to.

Netanyahu is just a more articulate Trump.

hlthe2b

(105,423 posts)
5. No doubt in my mind the day it leaked that he'd met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:22 PM
Yesterday

Last edited Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:07 PM - Edit history (1)

slightlv

(3,841 posts)
24. Exactly, and this meeting should be brought up
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 08:26 PM
Yesterday

in the media with every interview and story about bibi. Not only does he want his good friend, trump, back in office... he wants the cover trump can give him while he starts WWIII, which the religious right sees as their dream of the Apocalypse finally happening.

bibi is no friend of the US, and I doubt a whole lot of people see him as a friend of Israel. He's done way too much over the years that can be called into account. And is just one more autocrat that the world has to play whack-a-mole against.

electric_blue68

(17,046 posts)
43. Um, it's Certain Radical Christian Groups, Not All Religious people. Certainly not the Jews of Israel
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:47 PM
22 hrs ago

slightlv

(3,841 posts)
44. Granted... it's what's now called the NAR.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:55 PM
22 hrs ago

Sorry I didn't stipulate better. Marbles sometimes bounce around in my head on their own accord. I only catch up afterwards!

electric_blue68

(17,046 posts)
46. No Problemo! 👍 I've heard about these Middle East Apocalyptic wanting RW Christians for a few decades...
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 11:03 PM
22 hrs ago

So it's an irritating (and potentially dangerous under "perfect storm" conditions) issue for me.

electric_blue68

(17,046 posts)
56. I sure know about the Ultra Orthodox Jews of Israel, and propping up Bibi; but I didn't think they were into the..
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:57 AM
19 hrs ago

Apocalyptic scenario!

Will read. 👍

former9thward

(33,207 posts)
8. That theory falls apart quickly.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 06:59 PM
Yesterday

His trial has been and is proceeding. It has not stopped because of the war. U.S. courts are slow but Israeli courts are very slow. Not only that but the charges against Netanyahu would not typically result in a jail sentence.

RainCaster

(11,365 posts)
9. It would be right if Kamala was to remember Nuttinyahoo and his behavior
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:05 PM
Yesterday

Just sayin. She will have many options.

Autumn

(45,847 posts)
12. I've been saying this for some time. I just hope people are smart enough to see through it.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:18 PM
Yesterday

Netanyahu wants' trump in the White House.

Linda ladeewolf

(255 posts)
14. My first thought
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:45 PM
Yesterday

When he suddenly escalated the war with these attacks is that he wants trump. He’s a fool if he thinks trump will help him. Trump will use him, just like he uses the evilgelicals, and abandon him when he’s through with him and them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,391 posts)
15. Both tRump & Netanyahu are criminals under indictment with self-preservation motivations. tRump wants to self-pardon. nt
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:48 PM
Yesterday

FormerOstrich

(2,728 posts)
16. I take even a larger step...
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 07:53 PM
Yesterday

in that I thin Iran wants him, too. Right along with North Korea.

I don't buy the alleged roving assassins and think they are intended as cover for their true attempts to interfere in the results.

None of them give diddly about the people of their country. It's all about the power and wealth and control.

Never thought I'd see these days.....

slightlv

(3,841 posts)
25. This is way out there in far left field,
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 08:30 PM
Yesterday

but your message brought up something I've wondered about for a while. Iran is Shia. They have their own apocalyptic theory with the "missing mahdi"... I wonder how many of them want to bring on the apocalypse, just like our theocratic right wingers want to do the same thing. They are all cut from the same die; they're all "people of the Book;" and they all have this desperate need to bring on the end of the world. Heaven on earth awaits, don't ya know? /snark

Bev54

(11,618 posts)
18. It goes without saying to me. There is absolutely no doubt
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 08:06 PM
Yesterday

The problem is the hubris of both of them may well bite them in the ass.

SWBTATTReg

(23,741 posts)
19. I agree. But also, Netanyahu is in general, a dickwad, and doesn't want to give up power (he was on the edge of
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 08:06 PM
Yesterday

losing last cycle of elections) but somehow managed to hang in there. IMHO of course.

ancianita

(37,876 posts)
29. Not just Democrats and not just Netanyahu.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 08:49 PM
Yesterday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

... A declassified U.S. intelligence report released in December 2023 found with "high confidence" that a "diverse and growing group of foreign actors" including China, Russia, Iran, and Cuba had all interfered in the 2022 midterms with influence campaigns on social media to covertly advance the interests their respective nations, exacerbate social divisions, and sow doubt in democracy, voting, and the result of elections.

U.S. intelligence officials have described the efforts as part of broader efforts by authoritarian nations to use the internet to erode support for democracy...

... In advance of the 2024 election, American intelligence assessments found that Iran had covertly supported college protests against the war in Gaza using social media posing as students and having operatives offer financial assistance. Pro-Israel groups have also spent large sums of money to support pro-Israel candidates against candidates critical of the Israeli government. Jordanian-American journalist Rami George Khouri wrote that "Such aggressive funding campaigns by AIPAC and other pro-Israeli forces may soon be perceived as another dimension of foreign interference in US elections, which has grown as a national concern since 2016."...

September 4, the Department of Justice indicted members of Tenet Media for having received $9.7 million as part of a covert Russian influence operation to co-opt American right-wing influencers to espouse pro-Russian content and conspiracy theories....


We have three letter agency evidence of state-sponsored attacks on democracy through this election.
Not just 'suspicion.' The Hill is good for 'suspicion' headlines that distract Democrats from the Nov 5 prize.
Biden's got this; he knows what Netanyahu's doing.

BrianTheEVGuy

(563 posts)
58. Hmmmm
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:44 AM
18 hrs ago
aggressive funding campaigns by AIPAC and other pro-Israeli forces may soon be perceived as another dimension of foreign interference in US elections


AIPAC is an American PAC funded and operated by US citizens. The claim that it is “foreign” is a longtime antisemitic trope, which is why it’s not surprising that someone like Rami Khouri would use it.

ancianita

(37,876 posts)
60. Yes.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 05:39 AM
15 hrs ago

Criticisms of AIPAC as a tool of Likud members in Israel are making the rounds.
AIPAC itself insists that its history and leaders speak for it.
More on AIPAC, and an excerpt (editing out source numbers for readability) that shows a few Democratic leaders' historical connections to it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC

...In 1959, AZCPA was renamed the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, reflecting a broader membership and mission. [Isaiah L.] Kenen led the organization until his retirement in 1974, when he was succeeded by Morris J. Amitay. According to commentator M.J. Rosenberg, Kenen was "an old-fashioned liberal," who did not seek to win support by donating to campaigns or otherwise influencing elections, but was willing to "play with the hand that is dealt to us."

Rise (1970s to 1980s)
By the 1970s, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations and AIPAC had assumed overall responsibility for Israel-related lobbying within the Jewish communal landscape.
The Conference of Presidents was responsible for speaking to the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, while AIPAC dealt mainly with the Legislative Branch.
Although it had worked effectively behind the scenes since its founding in 1953, AIPAC only became a powerful organization in the 15 years after the Yom Kippur War in 1973.

By the mid-70s, AIPAC had achieved the financial and political clout necessary to sway congressional opinion, according to historian Michael Oren. During this period, AIPAC's budget soared from $300,000 in 1973 to over $7 million during its peak years of influence in the late 1980s.
Whereas Kenen had come out of the Zionist movement, with early staff pulled from the longtime activists among the Jewish community, AIPAC had evolved into a prototypical Washington-based lobbying and consulting firm. Leaders and staffers were recruited from legislative staff and lobbyists with direct experience with the federal bureaucracy.Confronted with opposition from both houses of Congress, United States President Gerald Ford rescinded his 'reassessment.'"

George Lenczowski notes a similar, mid-1970s timeframe for the rise of AIPAC power: "It [the Jimmy Carter presidency] also coincides with the militant emergence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) as a major force in shaping American policy toward the Middle East."..

...AIPAC scored two major victories in the early 1980s that established its image among political candidates as an organization "not to be trifled with" and set the pace for "a staunchly pro-Israel" Congress over the next three decades.
In 1982, activists affiliated with AIPAC in Skokie, Illinois, backed Richard J. Durbin to oust U.S. Representative Paul Findley (R-Illinois), who had shown enthusiasm for PLO leader Yasir Arafat.
In 1984, Senator Charles H. Percy (R-Illinois), then-chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a supporter of a deal to allow Saudi Arabia to buy sophisticated airborne early warning and control (AWAC) military planes was defeated by Democrat Paul Simon.
Simon was asked by Robert Asher, an AIPAC board member in Chicago, to run against Percy...

----- fast forward --

In February 2019, freshman U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar (D-Minnesota), one of the first two Muslim women (along with Rashida Tlaib) to serve in Congress, tweeted that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy's (R-California) support for Israel was “all about the Benjamins” (i.e. about the money). The next day, she clarified that she meant AIPAC.
Omar later apologized but also made another statement attacking "political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country.” The statements aroused anger among AIPAC supporters, but also vocal support among the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and "revived a fraught debate" in American politics over whether AIPAC has too much influence over American policy in the Middle East, while highlighting the deterioration of some relationships between progressive Democrats and pro-Israel organizations.
On March 6, 2019, the Democratic leadership put forth a resolution on the House floor condemning anti-Semitism, which was broadened to condemn bigotry against a wide variety of groups before it passed on March 7....


Good morning.

OrangeJoe

(381 posts)
38. AIPAC
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:09 PM
23 hrs ago

Congress is terrified of getting on AIPAC’s crosshairs. Nobody wants to get primaried by an opponent with millions of AIPAC dollars in the campaign coffer.

kimbutgar

(22,687 posts)
33. Huh they're just realizing it now !
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 09:53 PM
23 hrs ago

Bibi is an a hole like the orange menace. Birds of a feather flock together.

I am not anti Jewish just anti BiBi N.

mahina

(18,719 posts)
39. Also, rain suspected of wetness.
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:10 PM
23 hrs ago

What will it take for a decent Israeli citizens to get rid of this monster?

electric_blue68

(17,046 posts)
45. I don't know enough about Israeli politics, but you Have Seen the Gigantic Israeli Demos vids against Bibi posted here
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 10:57 PM
22 hrs ago

...on DU?
Massive numbers!

Orrex

(63,788 posts)
47. Obviously anyone who speaks ill of Netanyahu must be a pro-Hamas antisemite
Fri Oct 4, 2024, 11:18 PM
22 hrs ago

I mean, that's been the arc for the last year or so.

MadMike47

(113 posts)
51. Wait until November 6.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 12:27 AM
20 hrs ago

One month from now and one day after the election. That's the day that Joe Biden tells Netanyahu to go shit in his hat. Joe has nothing left to lose.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,342 posts)
53. Why don't Democrats get ahead of this
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:16 AM
20 hrs ago

Accuse him of it in public, and condemn him in the following minute for putting his own people at unnecessary risk. As well as many others. Tell Israel they must have new elections and that the US will only deal with a leader who is open to a negotiated peace settlement immediately.

The GOP will not be able to help themselves and overreact in criticism. Then if Bibi does escalate, the GOP will have little leg to stand on, as it is their man in charge, and Dems wanted a change.

C0RI0LANUS

(910 posts)
55. Netanyahu bull$hitted to SECSTATE Blinken and D/CIA Burns. Smells like 1980 GOP tactics to weaken Carter.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 01:44 AM
19 hrs ago

Besides enfeebling the otherwise competent Biden Administration, Netanyahu is denying Pres. Biden one last diplomatic victory before he leaves the White House: A ceasefire and a release of the hostages. Crime Minister Netanyahu wants Trump to win and he also doesn't care if he tarnishes Joe Biden's legacy. And war keeps delaying Bibi's nettlesome bribery and corruption trial in Jerusalem.

Please see my post on 13 Sep: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219458390

Meet the Republikud Party.

BrianTheEVGuy

(563 posts)
57. Not everything is about the USA
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 02:41 AM
18 hrs ago

We, as a country, have a bad habit of centering everything on us and our politics rather than viewing ourselves as just one actor on the world stage. This article is a great example of that ideation.

tornado34jh

(1,238 posts)
61. No duh, Sherlock. Honestly, why do we even support Netanyahu? It has done no good for the US
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 08:06 AM
13 hrs ago

We need to stop supporting Netanyahu because I think he is a backstabber. He has been like this since the Obama administration. It's been obvious that he wants Trump in office. I'm not sure why they are only now figuring that out. The Likud party's ideology specifically calls for territorial maximalism through military force.

lark

(23,823 posts)
62. It's as obvious as the nose on my face.
Sat Oct 5, 2024, 08:09 AM
13 hrs ago

Bibi is part of the wannabe oligarch grifter club, as is tcf. Hurting others for their own profit is both of their motos.

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