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Ever since I was a teenager, every time I heard the phrase This is not who we are. after some miscreant or group of miscreants did something reprehensible, I would roll my eyes in disbelief that someone other than a member of the clergy would have the temerity to say that.
Why would I be cynical at age 13? I was born in the early 1950s: all we saw on TV were outlaws, murderers, thieves, liars, adulterers, child molesters, kidnappers, embezzlers, abusers of women (both societally sanctioned and criminal), shoplifters, assassins, malicious pranksters, tax cheats, angry and resentful teenagers and adults, traitors, perjurers, con men, blackmailers, and a whole bunch of creative and innovative villains of all stripes which the police, state police, FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and mysterious governmental agencies were employed full time with tens of thousands on the payroll had to battle.
Of course, in early TV and film, the bad guys would have to be somehow defeated but we knew that that wasnt always the case. Many of us were acquainted with people and even whole families whod gotten away with all kinds of stuff for years. All the righteous sanctimony was out the window as far as I was concerned: the laws were enacted to attempt to dissuade most people from doing what theyd really like to do, which is harm. Harming people, harming family, harming retail establishments, harming insurance companies and the rest.
This tinhorn Mussolini weve got in whats left of the White House allowed a great number of Americans to live their fantasies of lawlessness, adultery, lecherousness, overindulgence, outright denial by almost proudly lying, and the constant expression of both victimhood and the id as Freud defined it. It is the realization of the Twilight Zone episode Its A Good Life which Rod Serling himself wrote. It is a horror beyond horrors and we are living, somehow, through this.
It is however, the beginning of the end for him. Entropy, both political and physiological is increasing. The McConnell situation is a portent of coming attractions. The next chapter of this saga is in outline form and about to be written. I would say however, that if anyone had written a series of scripts for a miniseries and simply had had a glimpse into this future, it would have been rejected at every level as being too unbelievable even for a gullible audience. That is how absolutely outrageous this time has been.
rampartd
(5,867 posts)i referenced that a few days ago, snippet from an endless song.
lord help me. was trump ever a guest on fantasy island?
Reply to ToxMarz (Reply #6)
Tue Jul 7, 2026, 06:07 PM
no, not that epstein place, montalban's tv show.
maybe a little blues ...
little anthony from the twilight zone
gets to be a make a wish kid
he took a flight down down to fantasy island
and this is what he did
he walked down the beach and found two bottles
barbara eden twins
i think the song may become ribald from there...,
calimary
(91,697 posts)Really cant disagree, even though I sure want to - and wish I could.
FalloutShelter
(14,785 posts)I write Horror fiction and I know that a script like what is happening now would be rejected as too outlandish.
Here is my thought as a ride or die Democrat
. I am hearing policy debates within the party. What I am not hearing is a PLAN.
If the election is disputed
what is the plan?
If martial law is invoked
what is the plan?
Forget lawyers and judges, we dont have time for that. What is the PLAN on the ground?
I dont mean to hijack your thread. It is just that we know it is crazy. What is the PLAN?
PCIntern
(28,878 posts)The Republican plan is always to deny and lie continuously. Democrats dont do that, almost amusingly because their own Party members then go on camera and say that they apologize for their colleague lying and will work very hard to get him/her expelled immediately if not sooner. Ask Sen Gillibrand how its done. Shes an expert.
FalloutShelter
(14,785 posts)My suggestion is for anyone who attends a Dem. Campaign event with an open mic
pose this question:
WHAT IS THE PLAN? Election cancelled? Election denied? What is the plan?
I cant wait to hear the answers, because right now it is crickets.
durablend
(9,515 posts)"THAT CAN'T HAPPEN!!!" "IT'S ILLEGAL!!!" "TEH CONSTITUTION!!!!!"
Like you said, *crickets*
PCIntern
(28,878 posts)Say hi to our mutual friend!
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FalloutShelter
(14,785 posts)OC375
(1,250 posts)We tolerate it because we do it ourselves, often out of practical reasons. It happens every day. When someone takes it too far, or we dont like the reasoning, we get mad. Rinse and repeat. Society is fragile and imperfect and subject to violent change. We seem to have forgotten that in the US, but we are only 250.
purr-rat beauty
(1,745 posts)And the best way for me to process is writing, or I'll break things, or bones, or the law
No time to dispute
It is time to act
Things are burning fast
Lies are cooking us
That is a fact
Cinders have no spine
Ash cannot be skin
Sitting here lost
Doesn't help us
Speak against sin
So when?
How?
And why is this...
Even needed!
If only the warnings
Were heeded.
And now an addendum
For this poem
As my thoughts and fear
Across the paper
Continue to roam...
Do we sit here dumbfounded?
Self-immolate?
Eat lie after lie?
Or wait?
For when they decide
How we the people
Will die?
I just don't get it
Bumbles
(633 posts)Surrealism is marked by the intense irrational reality of a dream or, in this case, a nightmare. We usually awaken from a nightmare and avoid the horrors that might end us. In this surreal reality we seem to be unable to awaken from this nor find way to curtail or divert the damages being done. I hope you are correct PCIntern and this is the beginning of the end for him. We can't wake up soon enough.
BattleRow
(2,781 posts)ZDU
(1,640 posts)PatSeg
(54,241 posts)Whenever I hear a politician say, "This is not who we are", I have an immediate reaction, "Yes, it is". And I know that they know it as well.
I love your references to 1950s television. Just because the good guys always won in the end, viewers still thrived on the crime and violence.
PCIntern
(28,878 posts)Dirty Harry, Death Wish 1-55, The Sopranos and on and on.
I have posted this before, but in the movie Psycho, there is a scene in which the killer has put the victims body in the trunk of a car and attempted to sink it into a swamp. At one point, the car stops descending into the waters and both the killer and the audience are afraid that his plan has failed, but then after a short while it begins to descend again. Hitchcock has made the audience an accomplice to the murder. He knew his customer.
PatSeg
(54,241 posts)I rewatched Psycho recently and yes on some level, the viewer wants the car to sink.
Do you remember the old cartoons where the main character had an angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other, both whispering in his ears? People could relate to that conflicted character as they were the same. Back then everyone presumably agreed that the angel was right, but still the devil was tempting.
Yes, after that era came the antihero and studios found such movies and programs were more profitable. Today they're ubiquitous. Even squeaky clean Superman has to have a dark side in order to sell tickets.
BattleRow
(2,781 posts)Who paid tickets for the privilege
dalton99a
(96,556 posts)for that stupid clown, there's no way Trump will be president again, ... ..."
twodogsbarking
(20,042 posts)Just Jerome
(619 posts)Let us not forget that the Twilight Zone episode was based on a story by Jerome Bixby.
Just looking out for my fellow Jeromes.
Pluvious
(5,492 posts)After I posted an update as well, I remember quite vividly reading that story as a kid !
It was eight years after he wrote it that it was adapted for the twilight zone
Martin Eden
(16,152 posts)Of course, the worst horrors were not allowed on television. For example, the naked breast of a woman lovingly feeding her baby would have raised the holy wrath of righteous indignation.
Born in 1957, I remember 1960's television shows. Star Trek bravely had white William Shatner kiss black Nichelle Nicholls, though it was involuntary (forced by an alien). A kiss between homosexuals would have been orders of magnitude more outrageous.
FakeNoose
(43,351 posts)Like you I grew up in the late 50's and early 60's so that's my time frame. Catholic schools were known for their discipline, and those nuns were something else.
Any time any kid messed up, there were consequences. You got a "zero" as your test score, or you had to stay after school, or you had to stand in the corner while your friends sniggered at you. Sometimes the principal called the parents of poorly-behaving students. Nuns were even known to paddle students when they really messed up, but it was almost always one of the boys. I don't think a girl was ever paddled, but I could be wrong.
My point is that we were disciplined and most of us learned quickly - there ARE consequences, we WILL be caught, and it's almost NEVER worth it. Those who didn't learn this important lesson became examples to the rest. By the time we were sent off to high school, our patterns were already formed for life.
I've lost touch with grade school-aged children, (my own grandson is already in college) but I don't believe any of this is being done any more. Certainly not in the public schools and there are very few nuns teaching in Catholic schools these days. It's a bygone era.
Pluvious
(5,492 posts)Hi friend, I always enjoy your posts, thanks for sharing so much interesting information and commentary
( and thought provoking predictions! )
I actually have a memory from childhood of reading a book of short stories, and I have always remembered the name Jeremy Bixby as the author of that most disturbing story of the young boy, it was years later that I saw the episode on the twilight zone
From Wikipedia....
Cheers
PCIntern
(28,878 posts)There were literally tens of thousands of SF stories published in many many pulp magazines and novella collections over the decades and Serling chose this story by Bixby to be adapted.
OLDMDDEM
(3,351 posts)usonian
(27,478 posts)(and 1984) (1)
The same dark forces that manipulated Romans ages ago still rear their ugly heads and drag out the old fascist playbook.
Visionaries warn us, and we ignore the "signpost up ahead"
I do advise that rather than try to "change hearts and minds" (2) which takes ages, if at all, that we concentrate on the manipulators, the "Epstein Class" that opens that book and plays it.


And this year, it is resonating with many.
(1) The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, by Emmanuel Goldstein
https://genius.com/Emmanuel-goldstein-the-theory-and-practice-of-oligarchical-collectivism-annotated
(2) https://democraticunderground.com/100216524810