What percent do you give to Trump stealing the 2024 election?

[edhopper]

I think it is most likely he did not. But I am at least around 20% that he did to 80% he didn't. Sometimes it goes to 30%.
I sometimes think Musk might have fu*&ed around enough to give him the edge in all the swing States.

How about you all, anybody certain one way or another?

[Traildogbob]

1. Can we use

The absurd percentages trump keeps raging about with drug prices.
Then I would say 3,000 percent.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

2. I personally don't think he did,

he pulled the old "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit" and tragically, it worked.

[pwb]

3. He always accuses other people of doing things he did,

so there's that.

[Walleye]

4. I don't know if he actually changed votes, but he broke a lot of laws around campaigns

[bob4460]

5. If they weren't so greedy

They would have been harder to spot,NO WAY he won all 7 swing states!

[yellow dahlia]

16. Simple logic comes into it.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. I doubt he stole it.

We committed our own errors, in both the Biden debate prep, and the Harris campaign. Dem strategists and pollsters were trying to repeat 2020, in ECV. I got tired of hearing how close things were, and I'd rather be us than them. She threw everything at him in debates. He absorbed it all and never flinched. I think we were strident. It didn't inspire confidence.

[EdmondDantes_]

7. 0%

All the available evidence from polls, to election audits, to the failsafes put into place, to the Democratic officials, to the Harris campaign not saying anything about a stolen election, to all of the claimed evidence like over 100% voting turnouts end up being false all points to that the election was fair in terms of counting votes cast.

Republicans definitely try to make voting harder, but that's not cheating in the sense of changing votes and is itself inferential that voting matters.

[Prairie_Seagull]

8. I think you are more correct at

30/70. Sometimes it's more like a 50/50 thing for me but usually that is just because I am pissed.

[orthoclad]

9. Musk did it.

[yellow dahlia]

17. They both admitted it.

[orthoclad]

19. Money talks. With lots of zeroes.

[yellow dahlia]

24. Indeed.

And look at the consequence. Who did it benefit? The take over and the corruption are themselves further confession of the objective - to "win" at any cost.

[ananda]

10. 100%

It was obvious.

Even Trump gave Musk credit.

[orthoclad]

22. It was like Zuckerthing in 2016

Facebook illegally provided Cambridge Analytica with private user information. CA used it to micro-target political ads in key electoral college areas. It was enough to swing the election.

Facebook/Zuck was charged, tried, and convicted. He got a dazzling fine of ~30k. Then made billions from Trump. Quite a ROI. This is why I despise all things zuck/meta/facebook. He gifted us our long national nightmare, more than any other single person. He hurt us worse than Putin.

Musk did something similar in '24. I was too depressed to follow election news, so I don't know details. But it looks like Mucks is set to be our despot, with rodeo clowns in the White House and Congress to distract our attention from him.

[Chemical Bill]

27. Republicans fought recounts in 2016...

and were successful. No hand counted recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, even though the recounts were paid for. Why would they fight recounts if they had nothing to hide.

[Polybius]

37. Lol

You use 100% too loosely. Unless you saw some hard evidence yourself, it's not 100%. What Trump and Musk say on this isn't facts.

[Blue Owl]

11. He only needed to manipulate enough of the swing states, just 4-5 of 50 states

And with Musk’s tampering in France, Leon has shown his true colors — what exactly would stop him from tampering in the USA, where he had so much more to gain financially with all the SpaceX and other government contracts that have now helped make him the world’s first trillionaire?

[Chemical Bill]

28. Plus Musk stopped investigations into his businesses.

He had plenty to lose if Harris won. Means, motive, and opportunity.

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. ZERO

2024 election denialism is as evidence free and kooky CT nonsense as 2020 election denialism, and does absolutely NOTHING to help us resist the current regime and take back the house and senate in 2026 and the White House in 2028.

It is a faulty coping mechanism, used to avoid the painful emotions of a very real loss at the polls.

Also, 9 million fewer people showed up at the polls.

It’s that simple.

[OLDMDDEM]

13. 100%

[sarisataka]

14. I'll say 0%

No credible evidence has been presented, most just people saying he or Musk cheated somehow.

The argument that there is no way he could have won all of the swing states continues to ignore the polls leading into the election that showed he was ahead in all of the swing states.
At the time we said it was impossible for him to be leading in all of the states so the polls must be wrong. After he won all of the swing states we say it was impossible so that is evidence of stealing the election.

[malaise]

15. 90% for trying to steal it

15% for succeeding.

[yellow dahlia]

18. My immediate answer is 100%. But if I were filling out a form, I would say 99.99%.

Because I always have to allow for the marginal possibility that there is something I missed.

[MustLoveBeagles]

20. 50/50

[mr715]

21. Zero.

He didn't steal it.

[onenote]

23. 0%

[canetoad]

25. I'm convinced he stole the election

With help from musk, the Heritage folk, sundry state-level operatives and a large helping of intimidating traditional Democratic voters. So I'd have to say 100%

[Jedi Guy]

26. 0%.

Believing that he stole the election and clinging to the kooky nonsense that gets presented as "proof" means that one must necessarily also believe that the entire Democratic Party, from Joe Biden on down, was too timid, too stupid, or too complicit to say a word. One must necessarily believe that Kamala Harris herself, after repeatedly and correctly warning that Trump is an existential threat to American democracy, meekly stepped aside even though the election was so obviously, blatantly stolen.

I've pointed this out numerous times to challenge people who make the assertion that Trump clearly stole the 2024 election and not one of them has ever responded, to the best of my recollection.

I get that watching the 2024 election play out was traumatic and that every hour of Trump's second term has been torture but desperately clinging to kooky nonsense that's been repeatedly disproven is not helpful. In fact, it's actively harmful to our chances in 2026 and beyond because if the election was stolen, we didn't do anything wrong and therefore we don't need to take a long, hard look at how we did things and learn from our mistakes. There are lessons to be learned from every electoral loss and refusing to even believe we lost makes it damned hard to learn said lessons.

But copium is sadly an extremely addictive substance, so here we are.

[The Bopper]

29. A few years back

Georgia had electronic voting with no paper trails to audit and the Republicans always won. Now we have paper trails, it's most likely why they keep saying it, but not proving it and why the Democrats win some there. This literally could be why they want to "seize" the ballots so catching them cheating, will be unprovable.

[Intractable]

30. A better question might be, "What percentage of the election was stolen?"

It only takes a few points to swing the election.

[Celerity]

32. Zero per cent. There has been no proof at all, just a bunch of CT-pushers like This Will Hold and others, who, in the

pushing of their evidence-free BlueAnon fever dreams are, by logical extension, attacking the Biden administration and the Harris campaign, as if the CT-pushers' theories are true, then either Biden and/or Harris were extraordinarily, jaw-droppingly inept and/or were in on the fix.

[Chemical Bill]

33. 100%

They cheat out in the open. There is a thriving industry centered on keeping this topic out of public discussion.


Plus, he said he did. He only lies to keep himself out of trouble.

[fujiyamasan]

34. Maybe a 0.01 to 1 percent chance

I’ll hedge and give you a range .

We already know Trump attempted to steal an election. He tried in Georgia, and he tried to stop the certification and basically tried to pull a coup. The question isn’t motive or even intent, it’s a matter of capability and competence.

This is where they failed. Over and over again. Even Musk’s wealth isn’t enough to pull this sort of thing off. The elections in this country are very decentralized, so pulling something like this off takes the kind of coordination that puts to shame even sending privately owned rockets to space. Besides, Musk also frequently over promises and slips on timelines. Look what shit show DOGE was. He’s not that brilliant.

In short it’s very unlikely they stole this through starlink or whatever other nonsense I see frequently concocted. I’m convinced a lot of people coming up with these “theories” haven’t even the basic idea of what starlink does or its capabilities. Every other “proof” also falls apart upon even the slightest bit of scrutiny. It’s the saddest kind of copium to be honest.

Sometimes these CTs are pretty entertaining so I’ll give them that.

[Kaleva]

35. 0%

[Polybius]

36. Same chance as if the 2020 election was stolen

So 0%.