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senseandsensibility

(25,845 posts)
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 03:24 PM Yesterday

This is their strategy for the midterms and Comer is saying it loud and proud

"What we're seeing especially in the blue states is fraud, especially in the minority communities." he said today with no evidence.

Okay, this is a lie. It is BS. We all know that and so it is tempting to sigh, roll your eyes, look away and assume that no one normal believes it.

Unfortunately, when you have Chairman Comer and even the Speaker of the House flat out lying and telegraphing loud and clear what they're going to do we need to pay attention.

What is our strategy to combat this? I need to hear every Dem near a microphone calling this a LIE/ I need to hear them calling Little Mikey Johnson a liar. The time for politics as normal is long gone. Sure this is ridiculous nonsense. But they hold the levers of power and they will stop at nothing.
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This is their strategy for the midterms and Comer is saying it loud and proud (Original Post) senseandsensibility Yesterday OP
Numerous states have been wargaming these scenarios Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #1
I do remember all those. Who doesn't love happy endings? EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #7
I expect the happiest of endings in November Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #9
Let me see if I understand you Cirsium Yesterday #24
Yes, that's it precisely. CivicGrief Yesterday #28
Remember how Rudy publically literally melted mr715 Yesterday #25
Yes. How about when he lay down on a CivicGrief 23 hrs ago #34
Yes I do. mr715 23 hrs ago #35
"What we're seeing especially in the blue states is fraud, especially in the minority communities." sop Yesterday #2
What is keeping the Dems from coming back with these concrete examples of R senseandsensibility Yesterday #3
What concrete examples? CrispyQ 4 hrs ago #49
Yes but the few that have been documented senseandsensibility 2 hrs ago #55
First tactic: call out Comer's racism. He's not just making up "fraud", he's claiming it's by minorities muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #4
My sign for No Kings will say wnylib Yesterday #11
Racism is Patriotism - for Whites Only erronis Yesterday #12
Today I learned BaronChocula Yesterday #17
Musk, Thiel, Trump, and their whole cabal. wnylib Yesterday #26
Don't forget Rupert Murdoch Seinan Sensei 8 hrs ago #47
As Mikey Said, The Fraud Is So Diabolical That Proof Is .... ColoringFool Yesterday #5
Yes I called him out on that yesterday senseandsensibility Yesterday #6
That's the same argument theists use when questioned about proof of god. erronis Yesterday #29
Sorry, but claiming fraud does not win anything for Republicans Wiz Imp Yesterday #8
It buys a little bit more loyalty from low-information voters dickthegrouch Yesterday #13
Yup BaronChocula Yesterday #18
With a simple, consistent message coordinated by all Democrats so it's repeated in the media, people we get it! Chasstev365 Yesterday #10
Normalize False Accusations of Voter Fraud 2na fisherman Yesterday #14
Yes, senseandsensibility Yesterday #31
Should capital punishment be considered as a penalty for outright political lies? liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #15
No, we are not barbarians Dave says 23 hrs ago #38
They are setting up to not swear in Figarosmom Yesterday #16
That's what I believe Dave says 23 hrs ago #39
Bush v. Gore Redux 2na fisherman 23 hrs ago #41
Comer and his brother supposedly committed property transfer fraud. ChicagoTeamster Yesterday #19
Hammer on the fact that they're lying and refute it again and again MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #20
Yes! senseandsensibility 23 hrs ago #33
Unfortunately true. calimary 23 hrs ago #37
South Korea orangecrush Yesterday #21
When Chump says the same thing with impunity (other than Kristen Welker calling him a liar) FakeNoose Yesterday #22
liar liar pants on fire tsktsk 3 hrs ago #53
When I saw that after the L.A. mayoral primary was lost by Pratt, I KNEW this going to happen in the mid terms. C Moon Yesterday #23
California is the stupidest idea Mad_Machine76 23 hrs ago #40
Charles Foster Kane school of politics. usonian Yesterday #27
Yep. This is their strategy. kentuck Yesterday #30
Clever and original they are not senseandsensibility Yesterday #32
It is interesting that the same guys that promoted the Big Lie in 2020 are doing it again... kentuck 21 hrs ago #42
It's easy to tell when it's bullshit moose65 23 hrs ago #36
Of course. Fraud! Fraudy fraudy fraud! How do we know? "Everyone knows!" Karasu 21 hrs ago #43
Every time a national Republican 'politician' opens their mouth, it is to spit out a LIE, Jack Valentino 19 hrs ago #44
Projection on overdrive. The whole f'ing R KPN 18 hrs ago #45
Directly saying Rs are lying about voter fraud gets listeners focused on voter fraud. summer_in_TX 17 hrs ago #46
Not everything is verified by hand count, hand counts are illegal in Florida questionseverything 4 hrs ago #52
They are lying, racist pieces of shit. LuvLoogie 2 hrs ago #54
MAGAts have no imagination. Always the same pathetic shit. Martin68 5 hrs ago #48
I hate this piece of shite. Blockhead. King_Klonopin 4 hrs ago #50
K&R red dog 1 4 hrs ago #51

Fiendish Thingy

(24,307 posts)
1. Numerous states have been wargaming these scenarios
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 03:33 PM
Yesterday

And have done so for the past several cycles.

Remember all the lawyers who were disbarred after filing false, evidence free challenges to the 2020 elections?

Remember how Kari Lake lost all her challenges? For two different races?

Remember how Tina Peters went to prison?

Remember how Rudi went bankrupt for defaming those Georgia poll workers?

This is not the first rodeo for states with Democratic, and in some cases, Republican secretaries of state and Elections officers.

I think Texas is one state at high risk for ratfuckery by state officials, but in most other states, (at least the ones that will matter for Dem control of house and senate), I’m not worried about their ability to repel any nuisance challenges.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,307 posts)
9. I expect the happiest of endings in November
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 04:00 PM
Yesterday

But that doesn’t mean we won’t have to shoot a photon torpedo down the ventilation shaft of the Death Star first…

CivicGrief

(359 posts)
28. Yes, that's it precisely.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 06:23 PM
Yesterday

I can say this because the poster put me on ignore and can’t be offended. Tina’s out of prison and Kari is waiting to rear her ugly head again. Fulton County is being prepped. But it’s all good.

CivicGrief

(359 posts)
34. Yes. How about when he lay down on a
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:01 PM
23 hrs ago

hotel bed in his boxers thinking he was going to have sex with a minor? Only the best.

mr715

(4,689 posts)
35. Yes I do.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:06 PM
23 hrs ago

That was revolting, but I'm gonna admit something -- I think it was overhyped. When I saw it, I was led to believe that Rudy Giuliani was nigh almost caught in flagrante delicto. What I saw was Giuliani put his hand down his pants and then Sacha Baren Cohen ran in.

I remember hating Rudy Giuliani back when I was school kid.

sop

(19,638 posts)
2. "What we're seeing especially in the blue states is fraud, especially in the minority communities."
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 03:39 PM
Yesterday

What a crock. There's been more voter fraud in The Villages than any other community in Florida.

senseandsensibility

(25,845 posts)
3. What is keeping the Dems from coming back with these concrete examples of R
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 03:41 PM
Yesterday

voter fraud I wonder?

CrispyQ

(41,146 posts)
49. What concrete examples?
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:15 PM
4 hrs ago

There's hardly been any voter fraud. Even the Heritage Foundation reported that actual voter fraud is miniscule. Now, disenfranchisement & dirty tricks? Sure, but that's not voter fraud, which is what the repubs are claiming—that people who aren't eligible to vote are voting. Dead people, undocumented people, people voting multiple times. It just isn't happening.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,728 posts)
4. First tactic: call out Comer's racism. He's not just making up "fraud", he's claiming it's by minorities
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 03:48 PM
Yesterday

because he's a racist piece of shit, as far too many Republicans are. This has to be referred to, time and again, as racism.

senseandsensibility

(25,845 posts)
6. Yes I called him out on that yesterday
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 03:55 PM
Yesterday

and the rest of the Dems who actually have a platform, unlike me, need to do so as well.

erronis

(24,755 posts)
29. That's the same argument theists use when questioned about proof of god.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 06:24 PM
Yesterday

Ya just gotta BELIEVE!

Wiz Imp

(10,631 posts)
8. Sorry, but claiming fraud does not win anything for Republicans
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 04:00 PM
Yesterday

They need evidence which they will never have because it isn't happening. Just like Trump lost 60 court cases by claiming fraud without evidence, claiming fraud now will get them nothing. If anything goes to court, they will lose. It just makes them look stupid.

dickthegrouch

(4,712 posts)
13. It buys a little bit more loyalty from low-information voters
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 04:29 PM
Yesterday

People who are continually told from an historically trustworthy position (The Presidency) that fraud is going on, have little motivation to question it.
It doesn't matter that there is no evidence, the M$M is still suppressing all notifications of his losing all these different cases. The SCROTUS is doing its damndest to suppress any of the positive outcomes for us, rewriting established law, ignoring stare decisis, and many other tactics to prop up the fascist State.

Repubs are most definitely winning something from all this.

BaronChocula

(4,891 posts)
18. Yup
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 05:00 PM
Yesterday

It works just like the artificially created mania over crime. Fux news hyperventilates over it. Fux news watchers repeat it. Low-info voters hear it from them. Low-information voters repeat it. But cost of living will most likely beat out fraud as the pinnacle of most people's concern... this time.

Chasstev365

(8,284 posts)
10. With a simple, consistent message coordinated by all Democrats so it's repeated in the media, people we get it!
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 04:06 PM
Yesterday

* Whenever Republican lose, the make up lies about Election Fraud

* When you've done nothing to fix problems for average people, you cry vote fraud when the voters reject you

* Remember that kid who always cheated when he was losing at a game? Well, that's the MAGA Republican Party

* SHOW US THE PROOF!

2na fisherman

(384 posts)
14. Normalize False Accusations of Voter Fraud
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 04:33 PM
Yesterday

This is the Republican/MAGA strategy for the midterm elections. Even if they make baseless claims of voter fraud, they think it will be easier to mess with election results so they can challenge the counting of results not in their favor. Major delays in seating elected candidates and the passing of new ballot measures may be the goal. They will always seek to cast doubt on the fairness of elections when they lose. This has the added result of lowering voter turnout as voters lose faith in the process.

senseandsensibility

(25,845 posts)
31. Yes,
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 06:31 PM
Yesterday

people who think this just makes the Rs look bad or no one believes it are missing the point. It's propaganda with all the effects you mentioned.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,281 posts)
15. Should capital punishment be considered as a penalty for outright political lies?
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 04:34 PM
Yesterday

Asking for the survival of our republic.

Dave says

(5,493 posts)
38. No, we are not barbarians
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:24 PM
23 hrs ago

However, life in prison with no possibility of parole might be valid. For "outright political lies" of major significance with measurable consequences.

Figarosmom

(14,172 posts)
16. They are setting up to not swear in
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 04:43 PM
Yesterday

Democratic winners .

I seem to remember the last time they said it was all rigged that many repub voters threw up their hands and didn't bother voting.

Dave says

(5,493 posts)
39. That's what I believe
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:26 PM
23 hrs ago

It will be a dog fight before a Democratic majority in the Senate or House is seated, if they ever are.

2na fisherman

(384 posts)
41. Bush v. Gore Redux
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:37 PM
23 hrs ago

Yes, refuse to seat the Democratic winners and any delay tactics are designed to try and kick decisions up to the courts and ultimately be decided by the pro MAGA Supreme Court. So some pretext like a "hanging chad" or foreign interference will be alleged to have altered the vote counts. So there is a precedent for these kinds of strategies for judicially approved changes of true voter outcomes they don't like.

ChicagoTeamster

(1,364 posts)
19. Comer and his brother supposedly committed property transfer fraud.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 05:00 PM
Yesterday

Comer engaged in complex real estate transactions with his brother, Chad Comer. Critics questioned these land swaps, as well as a $200,000 loan Rep. Comer made to his brother, which was used to purchase additional acreage. But, investigations were quashed.

And yet, without proof of any kind, he accused the Bidens and presented no proof, and now he accuses basically all minorities across the country of election fraud and presents no proof.

MustLoveBeagles

(17,962 posts)
20. Hammer on the fact that they're lying and refute it again and again
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 05:08 PM
Yesterday

Never assume voters are too smart to fall for their lies. Frankly they're not, and it's what got us into this mess.

FakeNoose

(42,771 posts)
22. When Chump says the same thing with impunity (other than Kristen Welker calling him a liar)
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 05:43 PM
Yesterday

... then they can all say it too. If they say it enough times back and forth, they'll all start believing it's true.
That's Chump's strategy, and it's pretty much his only strategy.

tsktsk

(12 posts)
53. liar liar pants on fire
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:52 PM
3 hrs ago

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.

Joseph Goebbels

C Moon

(13,790 posts)
23. When I saw that after the L.A. mayoral primary was lost by Pratt, I KNEW this going to happen in the mid terms.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 05:55 PM
Yesterday

They are using California as a test run.

Mad_Machine76

(25,057 posts)
40. California is the stupidest idea
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:30 PM
23 hrs ago

for a test run. I mean, there are not actually a lot of Republicans in California, so it makes sense that they don't win too often there. What's going to really drive them crazy is when Democrats start winning in red states (although it will be harder for them to make fraud accusations when they control everything).

kentuck

(115,829 posts)
30. Yep. This is their strategy.
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 06:30 PM
Yesterday

Otherwise, they would not all be singing the same song at the same time.

kentuck

(115,829 posts)
42. It is interesting that the same guys that promoted the Big Lie in 2020 are doing it again...
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 08:48 PM
21 hrs ago

Especially MAGA Mike and James Comey.

They need to be called out.

moose65

(3,466 posts)
36. It's easy to tell when it's bullshit
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:09 PM
23 hrs ago

If a real crime was being committed, they wouldn’t be talking about it all over creation and social media. They won’t discuss real crimes, because they could be accused of interference or tampering. That’s why Trump never talks about his assassination attempts.

Karasu

(2,242 posts)
43. Of course. Fraud! Fraudy fraudy fraud! How do we know? "Everyone knows!"
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 09:12 PM
21 hrs ago

It’s the same shit they’ve been repeating ad nauseam since the beginning of 2025 with DOGE.

Jack Valentino

(5,322 posts)
44. Every time a national Republican 'politician' opens their mouth, it is to spit out a LIE,
Tue Jun 9, 2026, 11:33 PM
19 hrs ago

and the people at large are beginning to finally "get it" !


If they try to steal the upcoming midterm elections in some manner,
which I expect we will inevitably WIN OVERWHELMINGLY by actual votes---

then I will expect wide-scale RIOTS, and I will do whatever I can to INCITE them---
over the internet!

(although probably not participating personally---
I'm getting OLD and it is getting harder to get me out of the house--
and my personal courage seems to decline the older I get---
but God Bless the young people!!!! )

summer_in_TX

(4,343 posts)
46. Directly saying Rs are lying about voter fraud gets listeners focused on voter fraud.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 12:44 AM
17 hrs ago

Those who hear that automatically start worrying more about voter fraud. Our talking about it too reinforces their questions.

The far more effective approach is to ask, "Why is Trump/Republicans so afraid of people voting?" Our questions plant the seeds of doubt.

Anything Trump says about “fighting fraud” should only raise the question of why Trump keeps trying to make it harder for people to vote. It will if we focus on those sorts of questions:

Does Trump not want people to vote?
Is he afraid Republicans are going to lose?
Are Republicans protecting him?
Will Trump be impeached if the Republicans lose control of Congress? (He thinks he will be.)
Is he afraid of being held responsible for whatever he is hiding in the Epstein files?
Is Trump going to end up in jail?
Did Trump get caught trying to steal the 2020 election?
Will Trump try to steal the election again?
Does he think he will get caught if he tries?
Is it easier to suppress votes in large quantities than it is to steal them after the fact?
Is that why he is trying to prevent people from voting in the first place?



REFRAMING AMERICA
Why is Trump so Desperate to Keep Us From Voting?
How to reset the agenda of the election debate.
ANTONIA SCATTON
FEB 18, 2026


She says that rather than ignore or deny that election fraud happens our better strategy is:

Our Narrative

Elections in the U.S. are incredibly difficult to steal, and virtually impossible to steal without getting caught. They are run by states and localities, and there are many safeguards in place, but if you have doubts, you should learn more or even sign up to be election workers or observers and help make our elections more secure.

Rather than just avoiding talk about Trump’s attempt to steal elections, we need to make it clear that yes, people do try to steal elections, but they always get caught. Focus on the mechanisms used to safeguard elections, such as that virtually all vote processing happens under the eye of election judges and observers from both parties, and that election results can be and often are verified by hand counts, either of randomly selected precincts or – if necessary – entire elections.

questionseverything

(12,150 posts)
52. Not everything is verified by hand count, hand counts are illegal in Florida
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 02:33 PM
4 hrs ago

A recount just means the ballots are re scanned

When vp Harris lost I believe only 3 of the 7 lost states had any mechanism for a handcount

LuvLoogie

(8,987 posts)
54. They are lying, racist pieces of shit.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 03:40 PM
2 hrs ago

And should be referred to as such by pundits & politicians on the public airwaves and podiums.

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