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Swede

(40,026 posts)
Thu May 14, 2026, 08:12 AM Thursday

"If Trump were a Democrat would you still hate him." Yes, he's an awful, shitty human being.

Just to clarify. I loathed him, before I even knew what party he might have affiliated with.
He was, to me, way back in the 80s, the epitome of what used to be called 'The Ugly American'.
I loathe him even more now.
I just want him gone.

Fuck trump
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"If Trump were a Democrat would you still hate him." Yes, he's an awful, shitty human being. (Original Post) Swede Thursday OP
He's always been sleazy and Bettie Thursday #1
That's the point Roy Rolling Yesterday #56
I understand, but don't hate. multigraincracker Thursday #2
Me too. l check in here a couple times a day for a few minutes, after that l don't think about him Raine 22 hrs ago #57
He was a Democrat LearnedHand Thursday #3
Was a Democrat living in NY to get close to the power base AZLD4Candidate Thursday #9
He knew he could never win as a Dem, that why he switched parties FakeNoose Thursday #28
He's changed his party affiliation several times, but as a guy doing business in New York, of course... JHB Thursday #50
Yes, absolutely. Before he stepped his disgusting face in politics, I didn't give a fuck about him. In It to Win It Thursday #4
Trump is a Republican because he could never win a Democratic primary Renew Deal Thursday #5
Yup, he never gained traction in the Democratic Party Random Boomer Thursday #18
And even if we had MurrayDelph Thursday #45
Rapist, pedophile, traitor, psychopath. Irish_Dem Thursday #6
Once ages ago I came into one of my daughter's homes and the "apprentice" was on and I had a meltdown. efhmc Thursday #52
Never could stand him... MiHale Thursday #7
If TSF were a Democrat, he would have never been elected. Nt Trueblue Texan Thursday #8
Fetterman was a Democrat too. Whatever, labels are cheap these days. Calling someone a... relogic Thursday #10
Hear, hear. peppertree Thursday #22
That might be better than mine--- lastlib Thursday #25
+1! peppertree Thursday #29
Spirochete in Chief displacedvermoter Thursday #30
That one is good too Joinfortmill Thursday #36
The flip side of this is asking a MAGA how they'd feel if Obama or Biden had done any of the sleazy deals TheRickles Thursday #11
They think Obama and Biden did worse. yardwork Thursday #13
The Republicans who ask this can't understand. yardwork Thursday #12
If he was a Democrat he would kacekwl Thursday #14
Yup, Dems have kicked guys to the curb for FAR less. GoCubsGo Thursday #24
I first heard about him in the 1980's, and I never did like him. Emile Thursday #15
Yup. I think the first time I ever really heard his name in any major way... the nelm Thursday #46
"Soup fork"! Haven't ever heard of that one before. Ray Bruns Thursday #16
He is a rapist, a murderer, a psychopath, life long criminal, a racist, sexist, and unAmerican. Botany Thursday #17
Kay is spot on and speaks for me Quiet Em Thursday #19
I' hated him for a long time Historic NY Thursday #20
He reminds me of a lot of my Texas neighbors but they have little or no power. ☮ walkingman Thursday #21
I'm not sure he qualifies as a human being...... lastlib Thursday #23
we are not sure of that rampartd Thursday #44
Just ask the residents of New York who have known him for over 50 years FakeNoose Thursday #26
He was laughed at in NY, and also on the Jersey side of the Hudson Jersey Devil Thursday #32
Yes I Rebl2 Thursday #27
That's like asking "if his name wasn't Donald Trump, would you still dislike him?" LeftinOH Thursday #31
Yes, provided he still had the power to do evil that he has now. NH Ethylene Thursday #33
Trump is a cautionary tale. Vote for the person, not the party. Joinfortmill Thursday #34
The 1st season of The Apprentice made up my mind Picaro Thursday #35
Me, too. Joinfortmill Thursday #37
Keith Olbermann rambler_american Thursday #38
That thought has occurred to me also, but I think Trump fails at even that. Morbius Thursday #54
If there was only one chance to save humanity... Moostache Thursday #39
Well stated. stage left Thursday #40
Pass the marshmallows, Moostache... Totally Tunsie Thursday #49
I never paid any attention to him until he came down the escalator. GoodRaisin Thursday #41
And THAT, as I tell my MAGA acquaintances... WinstonSmith4740 Thursday #42
it would never happen. barbtries Thursday #43
"You soup fork" is exquisite. Grokenstein Thursday #47
It's a keeper, all right! colorado_ufo Thursday #48
KAY speaks for me! calimary Thursday #51
I have never had loyalty to anyone in office. Woodwizard Thursday #53
Yes, people who aren't moral degenerates have no problem hating serial rapists, serial pedos, serial fraudsters RockRaven Thursday #55
I didn't like him when he had his TV show. He was an arrogant bully TommieMommy 19 hrs ago #58
I believe this to be completely true Lokee11 17 hrs ago #59

Bettie

(19,862 posts)
1. He's always been sleazy and
Thu May 14, 2026, 08:23 AM
Thursday

awful.

From the first time I saw him, heard his voice....that tone of voice he uses was the same one my abusive father used. He still makes my skin crawl when he speaks and he's devoid of anything that could reasonably be called humanity.

He's greed and malice personified.

The thing I don't get is that he ticks literally every box of the right wing religious people's "antichrist"...including the part where they all worship him with his mark on their foreheads, and yet, they still worship him.

Roy Rolling

(7,703 posts)
56. That's the point
Fri May 15, 2026, 12:51 AM
Yesterday

The defining characteristic of the MAGA cult is the more boxes he checks, the more love he gets for owning the libs.

The biggest con is convincing people that looking, talking, and acting like a con artist doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a con artist. Why would a con artist operate out in the open?

multigraincracker

(38,012 posts)
2. I understand, but don't hate.
Thu May 14, 2026, 08:31 AM
Thursday

I just ignore. That’s the one thing his attention seeking behavior is about. He fears 2 things, being laughed at and being ignored.
He does not live in my head.

Raine

(31,237 posts)
57. Me too. l check in here a couple times a day for a few minutes, after that l don't think about him
Fri May 15, 2026, 03:19 AM
22 hrs ago

at all.

LearnedHand

(5,583 posts)
3. He was a Democrat
Thu May 14, 2026, 08:34 AM
Thursday

Changed his party registration before running in 2016. Not sure how soon before though. Still hated him as a dem.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,955 posts)
9. Was a Democrat living in NY to get close to the power base
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:06 AM
Thursday

Became a Republican relocating to Florida to get close to the power base.

FakeNoose

(42,362 posts)
28. He knew he could never win as a Dem, that why he switched parties
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:30 AM
Thursday

There was never any "party loyalty" either way.

JHB

(38,326 posts)
50. He's changed his party affiliation several times, but as a guy doing business in New York, of course...
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:00 PM
Thursday

...he claimed to be a Democrat for stretches of his time. It wasn't a matter of ideology, it was a matter of business contacts and the path of least resistance to ingratiating himself to people who'd issue permits for his various projects.

In It to Win It

(12,808 posts)
4. Yes, absolutely. Before he stepped his disgusting face in politics, I didn't give a fuck about him.
Thu May 14, 2026, 08:36 AM
Thursday

If he were a Democrat, I would have worked overtime to make sure he never made it past the primaries.

Random Boomer

(4,415 posts)
18. Yup, he never gained traction in the Democratic Party
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:57 AM
Thursday

Democrats didn't respond to him. He got nowhere with the Dem base.

What does it say about Republicans that they are the ones who flocked to Trump? Nothing good.

MurrayDelph

(5,771 posts)
45. And even if we had
Thu May 14, 2026, 05:52 PM
Thursday

Once a Democrat gets in trouble regarding sex or corruption, we bounce them.

When a Republican gets caught with a sex or corruption scandal, Republicans say "Look at that Democrat!"

efhmc

(16,959 posts)
52. Once ages ago I came into one of my daughter's homes and the "apprentice" was on and I had a meltdown.
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:25 PM
Thursday

He is bone deep creepy. Always has been and always will be.

relogic

(241 posts)
10. Fetterman was a Democrat too. Whatever, labels are cheap these days. Calling someone a...
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:08 AM
Thursday

Christian used to carry some weight. The references to respect for the political offices, faith values, honoring voters and all the rest of devalued identifiers has been swept away.

I detest djt and faux Democrats like Fetterman because whatever they call themselves they’ve betrayed America.

peppertree

(23,448 posts)
22. Hear, hear.
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:15 AM
Thursday

We all call him Festerman around here - and for good reason. It's a nickname he worked hard to earn.

TheRickles

(3,525 posts)
11. The flip side of this is asking a MAGA how they'd feel if Obama or Biden had done any of the sleazy deals
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:18 AM
Thursday

that the Trump family has been pulling off on a regular basis.

yardwork

(69,585 posts)
12. The Republicans who ask this can't understand.
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:18 AM
Thursday

A lot of Republicans view politics as a game where you support your team no matter what. You scream at the ref when they make a call against your team, whether it's valid or not. You accuse the other team of cheating when you lose.

They assume we hate Trump just because he's a Republican because they hate all Democrats just because they're Democrats.

They think differently than we do.

Emile

(43,207 posts)
15. I first heard about him in the 1980's, and I never did like him.
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:28 AM
Thursday

He has always been a sick man.

the nelm

(295 posts)
46. Yup. I think the first time I ever really heard his name in any major way...
Thu May 14, 2026, 08:21 PM
Thursday

was in the 80s when he, as a USFL team owner, sued the NFL for some reason or another. As I recall he pretty much sank that league all on his own and thought he was owed an NFL franchise when it went under. He then sued the NFL and actually won his suit. But he was such a prick during the whole thing he ended up being awarded something like 2-3 bucks in damages.

Botany

(77,827 posts)
17. He is a rapist, a murderer, a psychopath, life long criminal, a racist, sexist, and unAmerican.
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:44 AM
Thursday

Those are not republican or democratic things they are just right v wrong issues.

Quiet Em

(3,000 posts)
19. Kay is spot on and speaks for me
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:04 AM
Thursday

and I'm stealing "soup fork", lol

The con was a Democrat, a horrible racist, sexist, bigoted scumbag of a person, but he was a Democrat. It was the election President Obama that pushed him and many other horrible, bigoted white people over the edge.

He was never a good person. He was always a liar, a fraud, a jerk. Always.

lastlib

(28,594 posts)
23. I'm not sure he qualifies as a human being......
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:22 AM
Thursday

The idea that he has 46 chromosomes galls me no end......

rampartd

(5,011 posts)
44. we are not sure of that
Thu May 14, 2026, 05:42 PM
Thursday

if his dna were ever tested it would match most of the rape kits.

FakeNoose

(42,362 posts)
26. Just ask the residents of New York who have known him for over 50 years
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:26 AM
Thursday

Chump is universally loathed in New York City. And I agree, it has nothing to do with political parties.

Jersey Devil

(10,854 posts)
32. He was laughed at in NY, and also on the Jersey side of the Hudson
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:43 AM
Thursday

The only times we heard from him was when he was promoting some stupid idea of his or bankrupting casinos in Atlantic City.

Rebl2

(17,919 posts)
27. Yes I
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:28 AM
Thursday

would. I became aware of him and his narcissistic personality back in the eighties and early nineties, (when he was a democrat, supposedly), simply because of how he treated his soon to be ex wife and his girlfriend at that time Marla Maples.

NH Ethylene

(31,394 posts)
33. Yes, provided he still had the power to do evil that he has now.
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:50 AM
Thursday

If he was this despicable but powerless to act upon it, I would not bother to muster the energy to hate him.

To be clear - I don't like that I hate him; I try not to hate anyone. Hating someone hurts our own spirit as well.

Picaro

(2,437 posts)
35. The 1st season of The Apprentice made up my mind
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:53 AM
Thursday

Didn’t really know much Trump. Then I watched the 1st season of The Apprentice.

That was all it took.

Of course, the full reality of Trump’s utter vileness is far worse than anything shown on The Apprentice.

Adolf Hitler had more redeeming characteristics than Trump.

rambler_american

(936 posts)
38. Keith Olbermann
Thu May 14, 2026, 11:04 AM
Thursday

used to ave a segment called Worst Person in the World. i think that honor has been retired. Trump is now the permanent holder of that title.

Morbius

(1,109 posts)
54. That thought has occurred to me also, but I think Trump fails at even that.
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:32 PM
Thursday

He tries, but Vladimir Putin is a worse human than Trump. Maybe because he's smarter. 2nd worst person in the world, yeah; I could give Trump that title.

Moostache

(11,282 posts)
39. If there was only one chance to save humanity...
Thu May 14, 2026, 11:19 AM
Thursday

but that chance depended on me saving Donald Trump from burning to death while I roasted marshmallows on the flames... I guess all I could say is "well, we had a good run, too bad its over."

I would not piss on him if he were burning ion front of me and I would physically assault and prevent others from extinguishing him.

One of the thousands of things wrong with Trump is this - he believes that he is on the same level as a Bath Ruth, Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky (the best ever at what they did), when in reality he is a stumblebum clown, who AT BEST might be considered on the level of a Marty McSorley character (for the non-hockey fans, McSorley was the designated goon for Gretzky, who would start fights or beat people up but had as much skill as your average Zamboni).

I can't adequately find the words to truly describe these last 12 years. History is going to look back at this error and shake its collective head but we are stuck living in it. It hurts. Its physically painful and stressful to see the progress of justice and equality being beaten into a bloody pulp and have leaders about as effective as the proverbial submarine screen doors getting rolled daily, but it is what it is now. There will be a lot of work to address when he finally dies (hopefully he is stroking out as I type), but having to live through this has been exhausting, deflating and humiliating as a person who once did love this country and still loves the ideals it once held forth.

stage left

(3,351 posts)
40. Well stated.
Thu May 14, 2026, 02:40 PM
Thursday

I once loved this country, too. I never thought I would be mourning its death.

Totally Tunsie

(12,004 posts)
49. Pass the marshmallows, Moostache...
Thu May 14, 2026, 09:37 PM
Thursday

I've loathed chump since the mid-1960's, having been born and raised in Greenwich, CT, just 45 mins from downtown Manhattan by train. He was a scheming shyster thug then, and that continues to this day. Anyone in the tri-states (NY, NJ, and CT) were well aware of his "dealings" as he sat at the right hand of his sleazy father. They both should have been locked away then without chance of parole.

I will forever blame Mark Burnett {"Survivor", "Apprentice"} for bringing this slug to the forefront and (falsely) making him known across the country as a supposed legitimate business tycoon. Burnett knew differently, but there was a buck to be made for him in the process also, and so we have this moronic mobster wannabe destroying everything our country is meant to be. There's good reason why trump - the geographic "favorite son" - pulled a mere 11% of NYC votes the first time around. New Yorkers knew the trumps, and New Yorkers hated them.

Your eloquence speaks for many.

GoodRaisin

(11,042 posts)
41. I never paid any attention to him until he came down the escalator.
Thu May 14, 2026, 02:54 PM
Thursday

I didn’t live in NY or watch his dumb TV show ( I hate “reality” TV.). I didn’t realize at the time there was such a horrible human being living in our world and breathing our air.

I would absolutely hate this rotten individual matter what political party he was in.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,459 posts)
42. And THAT, as I tell my MAGA acquaintances...
Thu May 14, 2026, 03:53 PM
Thursday

Is the difference between them and us. He'd NEVER be the standard bearer for our party. We wouldn't tolerate the racism, sexism, and flat out stupidity and corruption. And if for some reason we lost our collective minds and the powers that be DID nominate such a disgusting excuse for a human being to be the leader of our country, I guarantee there would be such an exodus from the Democratic Party it would cease to exist.

The "man" has only been able to get this far because the Republican power structure saw him a a path to what their goal has been since Nixon. KKKarl Rove said it out loud during Bush II...a permanent Republican majority. These people hate democracy, and any policy that does not benefit the obscenely wealthy. They've been fighting us from Reconstruction, through the Union movement, Social Security, Medicare, Aid to Dependent Children...you guys know the list.

These people have to be driven out, and back into their caves. Only this time we need to dynamite the opening shut so they can't get out again. Either that, or give them a state they can all move to, and we could build a wall around that. They can call it Trumpistan, and revel in their ignorance. The best part is that within 3 generations, they'll be at each others throats, because no one will ever be pure enough.

barbtries

(31,346 posts)
43. it would never happen.
Thu May 14, 2026, 05:14 PM
Thursday

even he knew that.

i hate republicans for allowing him, worshiping him, and being such gawd awful people that they have just gone inert in the face of his power.

i would not even answer the question it's simply absurd.

Woodwizard

(1,337 posts)
53. I have never had loyalty to anyone in office.
Thu May 14, 2026, 10:27 PM
Thursday

I really liked governor Eliot Spitzer until he got busted with a 9000 dollar a night escort.

This after he went on about the value of integrity while NY attorney General going after corruption on wall street. Then he had the hubris to cheat on his wife and family.

And after that, came out his strong arm bully tactics.

Our representatives need to earn our respect.

I have more on my list but what a shit he is.

RockRaven

(19,725 posts)
55. Yes, people who aren't moral degenerates have no problem hating serial rapists, serial pedos, serial fraudsters
Thu May 14, 2026, 11:16 PM
Thursday

and especially all-three-at-once-ers regardless of their political party designation. The fact that someone cannot do so is a sign of extreme intellectual and moral feeble-ness.


Also, I'm going to have to try to remember "you soup fork."

Lokee11

(416 posts)
59. I believe this to be completely true
Fri May 15, 2026, 08:04 AM
17 hrs ago

If that Orange piece of shit were a Dem, he would not be in office, and it would not be because the fuckin' tools with R's next to their names removed or kept him out - & even if enough Dems were initially naïve enough to fall for his scam, they would not allow this traitorous slime to continue to be in office after it was blatantly apparent he was an incapable, seditious, corrupt imbecile!!!

FUCK DONALD TRUMP!!! If there is a HELL, may he burn in it for eternity and then some!

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