If SCOTUS rules that a person born in the USA is not a citizen.

[Jacson6]

I guess all of us ole folks are screwed. The young folks can immigrate to another country.

[malaise]

1. The Chief Justice adopted two Irish children

They cannot be more American than American born citizens.
Even he isn’t that stupid. And what about Donvict’s wife? Or the couchfugger’s wife?

[SheltieLover]

3. How about all those ruskie anchor babies?

[Attilatheblond]

5. Can no longer find the info on the scrubbed internets, but Roberts' adoption of those kids did a run past Irish law

At the time of the adoptions, Irish law forbade the adoption of Irish children by any non-Irish citizen. The Roberts had a 'straw adopter' officially adopt those kids, then took them to a small South American country, I seem to recall Belize. From there, she signed over legal custody to the Roberts and they happily returned to the US with the children.

As I said, this info seems to have been well scrubbed from the internet, but up until a few years ago, it was available from very respected sources.

Roberts is dirty and probably being blackmailed along with anybody else Trump needs to keep his own ass out of jail and be allowed to engage in all the scams he thinks up.

As to offspring, only one in five of Trump's was born to a mother who was a US citizen at the time of the births.

[malaise]

6. Very important

Rec

[spooky3]

7. Appalling nt

[Kid Berwyn]

8. Corruptomundo: "They come to me."

'They come to me': Jane Roberts’ legal recruiting work involved officials whose agencies had cases before the Supreme Court

In newly revealed testimony, Jane Roberts, the wife of Chief Justice John Roberts said she worked for “U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators” and more.

By HAILEY FUCHS and JOSH GERSTEIN
Politico, 01/31/2023

EXCERPT...

Jane Roberts’ placements included at least one firm with a prominent Supreme Court practice, according to the complaint, which also includes sworn testimony from Roberts herself, in which she notes the powerful officials — whose agencies have had frequent cases before her husband — for whom she has worked.

“A significant portion of my practice on the partner side is with senior government lawyers, ranging from U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators, chairmen of federal commissions, general counsel of federal commissions, and then senior political appointees within the ranks of various agencies, and I -- they come to me looking to transition to the private sector,” Roberts said, according to a transcript of a 2015 arbitration hearing related to her former colleague’s termination.

In her testimony, Roberts also noted the benefit of working with senior government officials: “Successful people have successful friends.”

Continues…

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/jane-roberts-legal-recruiting-work-agencies-cases-supreme-court-00080515



"They come to me." -- Mrs. Jane Roberts, wife of Chief Justice John Roberts

Nice racket, just us.

[sheshe2]

9. That is one butt ugly dress!

[Grim Chieftain]

12. Thank you! I was just going to post the same thing.

[sheshe2]

15. Lol...great minds!

[MustLoveBeagles]

31. Thank you

I usually like purple.

[MLWR]

16. From Google:

"Although the children do not come from the same family, they were both adopted the same year when John and Jane were offered a baby by two separate adoption agencies. The children were born four months apart, and both come from Ireland."

[Ms. Toad]

21. Not really scrubbed.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/539155429950233/posts/680348045830970/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts_Supreme_Court_nominations
https://itnshow.com/2021/02/28/did-chief-justice-john-roberts-skirt-laws-when-adopting-his-children/

[Igel]

33. That's "Irish law."

Do American courts enforce "Irish law"?

Or should we start bringing Russian emigres up on charges per the current Russian penal code? And Irish-Americans based on current Irish law? (Please, no. I like the freedoms I have.)

US courts, US law. I seriously do not expect Russian--or Irish--courts to enforce US law. That's not their job, their duty.

[Attilatheblond]

39. No, our courts do not enforce Irish laws. But people who practice law in the US but BREAK Irish laws are bad people

Willfully conspiring to subvert the laws of another nation in order to take children from that nation is NOT ok. Roberts should NOT be a judge, let alone the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS. But he played ball the way Family Bush wanted, and he got his reward.

[IronLionZion]

13. Doesn't matter. Americans are white. Foreigners are nonwhite

according to racists. So Irish are probably OK unless they're liberal.

[Ilsa]

14. Yeah, but I have brown eyes and hair! nt

[Igel]

35. Cool.

So all ethnic Russians are white and that means they're American and entitled to vote.

I'm sure Putin would like to know that. Talk about 'election interference'!

Per many, ME and Latinos are "white". And most of my Latino students consider themselves in line with the older, not the newer, definition. Ponder that.

[IronLionZion]

38. The Supreme Court ruled that Middle Eastern people are white

because in 1909, there was no way in hell the US Supreme Court was going to admit that Jesus Christ was anything other than white.

That court case came about because a Syrian immigrant police officer arrested a white criminal from a wealthy family. That crook's family sued on the basis that a "foreigner" (tan) couldn't arrest an "American" (white).

The case I references was In Re Najour but here's a newer case that's held up as precedent even today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_v._United_States

[TBF]

2. That is my biggest issue - how to leave

I don't want any part of where this country wants to go. Late 50s, plenty of household income - but a lot is invested so I wouldn't know where to start. It's frustrating to feel completely trapped. So far, I've just focused on trying to make life easier for my kids (who have now reached young adulthood).

[GoodRaisin]

17. Yep. I'm 73, disabled, and trapped.

I have children and grandchildren I don’t want to leave. My only out is if they all leave and take me. Which I highly doubt will happen.

If I was a young healthy unencumbered person I would be looking to get the hell out of here.

[Dan]

4. It would also be a signal that the SCOTUS

Is willing to remove the obstacles for a 3 time president.

[Ms. Toad]

19. The two are unrelated. n/t

[Dan]

26. Unrelated except

The 14th Amendment says that a person born on U.S. soil are citizens,

And the 22nd Amendment says that presidents are limited to 2 terms.

If the SCOTUS overturns one - the 14th, why not the 22nd. What fundamentally is the difference? They are related in the sense that they are both amendments to the Constitution.

[struggle4progress]

10. Street fighting man

[Initech]

11. Uh... have you seen the entry requirements for Canada?

Maybe we could go to some place like Thailand or Costa Rica.

[WarGamer]

23. Thailand... easy, just need $$ in the bank. IIRC, $25k USD and you can stay a year.

[Ms. Toad]

18. Not sure what you mean by this.

The executive order only impacts people around 1 and younger (people born after the date specified in the order). They certainly aren't old enough to immigrate to another country without parents, and not being a US citizen doesn't automatically grant them citizenship elsewhere.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

20. Why are they even hearing this bullshit.

[Jacson6]

24. Don't consider it BS.

If the Republicans win this case then only certain people will be Americans. The rest of us are illegal aliens that ICE can deport. My matinal ancestors came to the America before the country was created so my blood line would not make me a USA citizen. Of course, there also will be tens of millions that won't be citizens and subject to ICE deportation. Don't take this situation lightly. IMHO.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

27. That's exactly why I said it was bullshit.

[pcdb]

29. It would appear no one at DU understands this lawsuit.

The executive order under consideration applies only to babies born 30 days after the order takes effect. As the order hasn't taken effect yet, you and everyone of us at DU will still be US citizens.

[Jacson6]

30. No one at DU Understood the lawsuit to repeal Roe vs Wade. Do you now? n/t

[pcdb]

34. What does that have to do with the fact that no one alive will lose citizenship?

I find it hard to believe that an entire message board with very intelligent people would be so ill-informed as to believe that.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. If SCOTUS makes a ruling that goes directly against the Constitution,

I would say that makes it an illegitimate organization and that it and its rulings should be treated as such.

A SCOTUS that invalidates the actual Constitution puts our country firmly on the road to civil war or dissolution IMO.

[Munu]

25. Hate to have to point this out ...

... guess all of us ole folks are screwed.

Not really, if you are white.

[Americanme]

28. When will the court have the courage to tell trump to shut the f**k up.

They seem to give serious consideration to most anything that fool comes up with.

[Initech]

32. Never, apparently. He gets away with everything.

[a kennedy]

36. If that is what they decide, this country is dead......and EVERYTHING that all the people that came before us

fought and died for, is ALL FOR NOTHING. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 FAWK THEM ALL.

[Initech]

37. Can I rule that 6 of the 9 justices are illegally installed Murdoch / Heritage puppets who are compromised AF?