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New Breed Leader

(919 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:18 AM 17 hrs ago

As Rome burns, the Fourth Estate Smiles

Great blog post from The Establishment Bar:

If the past decade has taught us anything, it's that our media failed us when we needed them most. When the most dangerous man ever to run for higher office enter the scene in 2015, the media had countless opportunities to bury him before he ever got started. The housing discrimination lawsuit. The use of undocumented labor. The six bankruptcies. Stiffing hundreds of contractors. Trump University. The two dozen rape and sexual assault allegations. A single one of these would have completely derailed a major party presidential candidate in previous election cycles. Hell, we lost Howard Dean because of an akward scream in 2004. But with Trump it was different. With Trump there was so much there that our media not only chose to ignore a single thing, they chose to ignore it all.


https://establishmentbar.blogspot.com/2026/03/as-rome-burns-fourth-estate-smiles.html




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As Rome burns, the Fourth Estate Smiles (Original Post) New Breed Leader 17 hrs ago OP
Yep, Americans fell for the scam. It's their fault not all the media. Walleye 17 hrs ago #1
Perfect Title for book about the last 45+ years: popsdenver 15 hrs ago #20
Which of those things was not known? NT mahatmakanejeeves 17 hrs ago #2
The media polished his turds UpInArms 17 hrs ago #3
I agree. CozyMystery 17 hrs ago #4
The media wanted a crazy reality show broadcast live from the White House. OGBuzz 16 hrs ago #5
The media has been failing us for many years. ananda 16 hrs ago #6
I remember when Biden voted to confirm Thomas. Katinfl 11 hrs ago #32
Biden did NOT vote to confirm Mr. Ginni Thomas: MLWR 11 hrs ago #34
I stand corrected. Katinfl 7 hrs ago #40
They Don't Even Have The Decency modrepub 16 hrs ago #7
Do you really expect honor among thieves? BattleRow 16 hrs ago #11
Nice modrepub 14 hrs ago #28
For that, the Fourth Estate is dying RainCaster 16 hrs ago #8
This young boomer doesn't watch any of those. mwmisses4289 12 hrs ago #30
This old boomer does exactly the same as you do. llmart 4 hrs ago #44
This older boomer too! As Curly of Moe, Larry, Curly would say, KPN 1 hr ago #46
What/who is Bellingcat? Katinfl 11 hrs ago #33
Bellingcat is an investigative journalism group founded by bloggers in 2011 irisblue 55 min ago #47
Trump is the personification Horse with no Name 40 min ago #48
Only to be replaced with the 4th Estate 2.1 Torchlight 10 hrs ago #36
It was the failure of the Supremes Farmer-Rick 16 hrs ago #9
The media does whatever it takes to sell advertising-commercials. tRump is controversial, i.e. a goldmine for them. ffr 16 hrs ago #10
Supplying drug du jour..daily Fox fix,et al. BattleRow 16 hrs ago #13
The corproate media Johnny2X2X 16 hrs ago #12
It's even more controlled by Oligarchs now with the Ellison family owning nearly everything. OMGWTF 15 hrs ago #22
PBS Mr.Bee 16 hrs ago #14
Coup d'tat for Dummies, chapter 1... GiqueCee 16 hrs ago #15
The media glommed on to Trump for the same Hey Joe 16 hrs ago #16
Lest We Forget... Mr.Bee 15 hrs ago #18
Thom Hartmann wanted the Party to buy 1,000 radio stations Gum Logger 15 hrs ago #17
That would have been absolutely STELLAR! calimary 8 hrs ago #37
Perhaps a testament to how fucking stupid a whole lot of the population has become???????????? NoMoreRepugs 15 hrs ago #19
The media have abdicated their crucial role in our democracy. OMGWTF 15 hrs ago #21
My personal opinion is that the media considered (and still considers) him as one of their own Scalded Nun 14 hrs ago #23
Our nation is now controlled by shareholder value... KY_EnviroGuy 14 hrs ago #24
"Past decade"? Past 3 decades, at least. CaptainTruth 14 hrs ago #25
This is a great read as well underpants 14 hrs ago #26
the "media" is a business which sells audiences to advertisers GreatGazoo 14 hrs ago #27
ok New Breed Leader 13 hrs ago #29
Exception: MSNBC, now known as MSNOW. pacalo 11 hrs ago #31
The writer overestimates the power of the MSM maxsolomon 10 hrs ago #35
The media didn't see him as "dangerous" back in 2015 and 2016 FakeNoose 8 hrs ago #38
And says, "How hot?" Nasruddin 8 hrs ago #39
So very right 4bonhoffer 6 hrs ago #41
I'm not a " smart" persons per se but I knew back in the 80's he was a joke and was thought it was a joke when he ran kimbutgar 5 hrs ago #42
Kick BlueWaveNeverEnd 4 hrs ago #43
The end of the Fairness Doctrine marked Buzz cook 3 hrs ago #45

popsdenver

(2,202 posts)
20. Perfect Title for book about the last 45+ years:
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:45 AM
15 hrs ago

WHILE THE NATION SLEPT.........................

"They" were all walking down the jungle path, swatting at mosquitoes, and oblivious to the herd of charging elephants.....pun intended............

I would imagine that there were many here, that watched HWBush, Corruptly and Using Treason install Reagan in the White House, so that HW and his CABAL could run things from the shadows.......

Many of us were screaming from the roof tops, and were put down as leftist fanatics.....there were even a group of so called "Reagan Dems" who attacked us........

And here we are today...............

CozyMystery

(721 posts)
4. I agree.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:58 AM
17 hrs ago

I was super angry when Biden was president because the media was still covering Trump, and quite heartily.

Meanwhile, I didn't wake up every morning wondering what horrific thing Biden had done, because he doesn't do stuff like that. I'm sure millions felt just like I did -- great appreciation for Biden.

ananda

(35,023 posts)
6. The media has been failing us for many years.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:24 AM
16 hrs ago

MSNBC fired Phil Donahue for no good reason.

And CBS fired Dan Rather for no good reason.

And some Democrats haven't been helpful either,
moderates like Joe Biden who voted for Thomas,
DINO's like Lieberman, and of course the SCOTUS
of Florida 2000.

Katinfl

(781 posts)
32. I remember when Biden voted to confirm Thomas.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:11 PM
11 hrs ago

Couldn’t believe that any democrat would vote for confirmation after the hearings. It’s like no one believed Anita when she was so credible. Their decision to confirm him has come to bite them in the ass many times since then. Just like their votes to confirm trump’s cabinet nominees, all of whom have turned out to be bad choices.

modrepub

(4,081 posts)
7. They Don't Even Have The Decency
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:26 AM
16 hrs ago

To stand up for each other when Trump publicly harangues one of their colleagues.

Never watch press conferences. Do they laugh when another reporter get ridiculed?

RainCaster

(13,655 posts)
8. For that, the Fourth Estate is dying
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:30 AM
16 hrs ago

And I won't miss it. CNN, CBS etc. can all go away. It's only boomers who watch that crap anyhow- just look at the adverts. It's being replaced by streaming news from Meidas, Bellingcat and others.

mwmisses4289

(3,967 posts)
30. This young boomer doesn't watch any of those.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 02:25 PM
12 hrs ago

I watch my local ABC channel for the local weather and that's it. For the rest, generally get most news from the guardian, BBC, or CBC.

llmart

(17,572 posts)
44. This old boomer does exactly the same as you do.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:34 PM
4 hrs ago

BBC or CBC for world news. Local news in the morning for the weather.

KPN

(17,337 posts)
46. This older boomer too! As Curly of Moe, Larry, Curly would say,
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 01:39 AM
1 hr ago

“I resemble that” statement about boomers. Grrrrr.

irisblue

(37,397 posts)
47. Bellingcat is an investigative journalism group founded by bloggers in 2011
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 02:08 AM
55 min ago

By a man who was spending time arguing on line. ( there is a familiarity about that foe me)

source- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingcat

snip- Bellingcat is a Netherlands-based investigative journalism group that specialises in fact-checking and open-source intelligence (OSINT).[6] It was founded by British citizen journalist and former blogger Eliot Higgins in July 2014Bellingcat publishes the findings of both professional and citizen journalist investigations into war zones, human rights abuses, and the criminal underworld. The site's contributors also publish guides to their techniques, as well as case studies.[8] In 2025, Bellingcat expanded operations to the United States."

snip-"Name

"The name derives from the idiom "belling the cat", which comes from a medieval fable about mice who discuss how to make a cat harmless. One mouse suggests hooking a bell around the cat's neck, making it unable to move without being heard. All the mice support the idea, but none are willing to do it."

More there

Horse with no Name

(34,235 posts)
48. Trump is the personification
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 02:23 AM
40 min ago

Of the “Take This Job and Shove It” anti-establishment rhetoric that was popular with the working class. He appeals to mostly the same audience.

Torchlight

(6,757 posts)
36. Only to be replaced with the 4th Estate 2.1
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:26 PM
10 hrs ago

once it too becomes the norm, as numerous evolutions before have illustrated.

Farmer-Rick

(12,612 posts)
9. It was the failure of the Supremes
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:35 AM
16 hrs ago

To uphold antitrust laws and allowed corporations to inundate us with their anti-demoracy and racist propaganda. It started with Rush Limpballs and has created Fox News and caused the deterioration of CNN, WAPO and the New York Times.

They turned our fourth estate into nothing more than the mouth piece of the filthy-rich.

ffr

(23,383 posts)
10. The media does whatever it takes to sell advertising-commercials. tRump is controversial, i.e. a goldmine for them.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:35 AM
16 hrs ago

If the media was in its cash-cow days, I'm sure it would have been different and he would have been nowhere and in jail long ago. But the economic model for the media is way past cash-cow days, so they give us what will keep us viewing.

Johnny2X2X

(24,123 posts)
12. The corproate media
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:39 AM
16 hrs ago

The Left needed to start hammering the Corporate Media decades ago. The Right has gotten more mileage out of their "Liberal Media" tripe than anyone ever thought possible.

The way the media treated Biden should have made it painfully obvious to anyone that the media is controlled by the oligaarchs.

OMGWTF

(5,101 posts)
22. It's even more controlled by Oligarchs now with the Ellison family owning nearly everything.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:55 AM
15 hrs ago

GiqueCee

(4,054 posts)
15. Coup d'tat for Dummies, chapter 1...
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:52 AM
16 hrs ago

... first and foremost, control the media. ALL of it. Take a good, long look around you. Mission accomplished.

Hey Joe

(580 posts)
16. The media glommed on to Trump for the same
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 10:59 AM
16 hrs ago

reason folks would rather watch a Benny Hill skit than watch a dignified state of the union speech.
We, as Americans, have been conditioned to be constantly entertained rather than be truthfully
informed.
We are now starting to pay the price of our
choices.

Mr.Bee

(1,792 posts)
18. Lest We Forget...
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:41 AM
15 hrs ago

CBS chief: Trump bad for America, ‘damn good’ news for us
Donald Trump’s presidential candidacy is probably bad for America, but it has been great for CBS News’ bottom line, executive chairman Leslie Moonves said...

Gum Logger

(396 posts)
17. Thom Hartmann wanted the Party to buy 1,000 radio stations
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:06 AM
15 hrs ago

We would have more to show for it than the billion and a half dollars the Harris Campaign spent

calimary

(89,857 posts)
37. That would have been absolutely STELLAR!
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:19 PM
8 hrs ago

A THOUSAND stations? A THOUSAND outlets pushing OUR side and OUR worldview and OUR America-view to the world? Aw MAN…

How sweet that would have been.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,010 posts)
19. Perhaps a testament to how fucking stupid a whole lot of the population has become????????????
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:41 AM
15 hrs ago

OMGWTF

(5,101 posts)
21. The media have abdicated their crucial role in our democracy.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:54 AM
15 hrs ago

When the autopsy is written on the USA, the media will be found as the cause of death.

Scalded Nun

(1,675 posts)
23. My personal opinion is that the media considered (and still considers) him as one of their own
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 12:08 PM
14 hrs ago

Years upon years of that bullshit apprentice show basically groomed the country for this ass-clown. They curry favor not only with $$, but with favorable coverage, regardless of what dumpster fire is occurring.

Even when he turns on them for accidentally telling a truth about him or his deeds, they crawl back like love-starved puppies looking for a pat on the head or a chance to scarf up one of his turds.

Just imagine anyone holding up a business person as a prime example of a successful businessman m(as stated above...The housing discrimination lawsuit. The use of undocumented labor. The six bankruptcies. Stiffing hundreds of contractors. Trump University).

And...just how many 'celebrities' are truly celebrated after the two dozen rape and sexual assault allegations. Just being allegations would have buried anyone else. Access Hollywood tape...locker room talk.

It will take many years (if ever) for any trust to truly be regained.

GreatGazoo

(4,587 posts)
27. the "media" is a business which sells audiences to advertisers
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 12:48 PM
14 hrs ago

We aren't the customer. We are the thing being sold, more specifically our attention is being sold.

I like that the push-out of Howard Dean is in their analysis but they don't seem to acknowledge that Howard Dean was 20 years ago and surprised the legacy media and DNC because both had never really had to deal with a candidate who organized on and leveraged in the internet. Sanders was the next big one on the Dem side.

Orange guy is a master troll. He played legacy media like a fiddle. He was the car crash they could not stop talking about (still can't). And he knew how to set the media agenda every day by doing something stupid, crass or outrageous.

The media is not ours, does not work for us and has only a tangental role in prosecutions. Typically when the media wants someone out, they run stories with headlines that include "-gate" eg Russia-gate. Because "gate" = watergate = impeach this person.

It is not the media's job to replace politicians or defeat them at the ballot box. It is our job.

New Breed Leader

(919 posts)
29. ok
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 01:29 PM
13 hrs ago

It is not the media's job to replace politicians or defeat them at the ballot box. It is our job.


maybe not, but it IS the news media's job to hold elected officials accountable. That IS THEIR JOB. And they're not doing it.

maxsolomon

(38,608 posts)
35. The writer overestimates the power of the MSM
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:23 PM
10 hrs ago

I knew every scandal in 2015 because I read the (DU-hated) NYT. I listen to the left side of the FM dial. I know what the Atlantic is.

But millions of Voters don't. They don't read. They don't listen to NPR. They don't know where PBS is on their cable remote.

There are 2 medias: MSM and Right Wing. The Right Wing Media has all of the AM dial, most of the FM dial, Sinclair stations, Fox, Newmax, OANN. It controls the places where the great unwashed get their information. Deliberately. They created it to do so.

Vilifying the MSM for not "burying" Trump is just pointless. Even their "neutral" journalistic stance is under literal attack right now.


FakeNoose

(41,343 posts)
38. The media didn't see him as "dangerous" back in 2015 and 2016
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:20 PM
8 hrs ago

They were laughing at him behind his back. No political pundit believed that Chump could ever win a primary then, let alone make it through to the GOP Convention. By the 2016 Convention, there was some SERIOUS MONEY backing him, and the media HAD to listen to him for real.

It doesn't mean he was a good candidate, or worthy in any way possible. But the media was caught by surprise, and then it was too late. He was the candidate and they HAD to take him seriously.

But all the writers of the day still believed Hillary was going to win the election. ALL of them......

kimbutgar

(27,198 posts)
42. I'm not a " smart" persons per se but I knew back in the 80's he was a joke and was thought it was a joke when he ran
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:59 PM
5 hrs ago

In 2015!

And look at what the f we got!

Buzz cook

(2,882 posts)
45. The end of the Fairness Doctrine marked
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 11:18 PM
3 hrs ago

the rise of the new right. That was the first rock in the avalanche.

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