I am beginning to believe that Epstein was murdered...

[kentuck]

He knew too much.

The note that was mailed to Larry Nasser after his death seems very fishy to me. It was mailed and returned after his death. In it, he says he is taking the short road home. Nasser was the former Olympics coach that had been convicted of sex crimes against the Olympic girl athletes.

Also, we learn today that there were 10 others that were indicted and named in the documents released today. But, all that evidence was buried during the last months of Trump's first Administration. His Justice Department took care of business for him. We knew nothing about this part of the Epstein case?

Also, there have been several reports that the photos of Epstein's suicide were faked. I never thought much about that until now. Maybe they were "faked"?

And the note may have been written by "someone" else to make it appear that he had committed suicide, when in fact, he was murdered.

There is so much information that has come out today, we should be very wary about all of it.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Some of us have suspected this from day one.

Trump had motive and opportunity.
And would think nothing of killing a friend and business partner to save himsel.

[kentuck]

2. His brother believes he was murdered.

Epstein must have felt that he could always pull the strings and get out of prison? He had always done it before. But, he was sent to prison during Trump's presidency. With the documents made public today, it looks much more likely that he was murdered.

[Irish_Dem]

9. We know it is at least 50/50 probability.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

7. I assumed from the start it was murder

… and who’d be most likely to be desperate enough to shut him up that way? The cohort who’s avoided that so far.

[yellow dahlia]

38. I have never thought he committed suicide.

It doesn't fit his personality profile.

And plus - who did it benefit?

[Irish_Dem]

47. Yes and yes.

[Irish_Dem]

50. Also Ivanna's death from blunt force trauma from falling down stairs.

It is had been rumored she was involved in the pedo ring, she and Ghislaine Maxwell
interviewed girls. It was said Ivanna was going to be questioned by the police.

[FadedMullet]

3. His death was suspicious because it was so timely and convenient for others involved. As more details come out.....

........about Trump, Mar-a-Largo, the files, other participants (both victims and old man pedophiles) and hush money, the suspicions will solidify into hard facts and headlines.

[RockRaven]

4. Bill Barr visited NYC before Epstein died. Who, if anyone, did he meet with

that was not on his official published schedule? Might be relevant given that Barr was ultimately responsible, as AG and head of the DOJ, both for Epstein's presence in that jail and for the jail itself.

And notice that Barr and Epstein had a connection independent of The Dotard. Barr's father was headmaster of an exclusive/expensive NYC private school that hired Epstein -- who had no college degree and no teaching experience -- to teach math to teens. Epstein then gained a reputation for inappropriately socializing with his teen students, quelle surprise. Also around the time of the hire, Barr's father published a horny/pervy sci-fi novel whose plot involved child sex slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Relations

What strange coincidences...

[kentuck]

5. Didn't Barr meet with Epstein while he was in prison?

Seems I read that somewhere?

[AZJonnie]

11. No proof of that specifically

Closer to an urban myth as of now.

[2naSalit]

6. Coincidences...

Take a lot of planning, according to Malcolm Nance.

[Joinfortmill]

19. Jeezus, you can't make this shit up. It was murder, alright

[Pachamama]

8. And Jean Luc Brunel, and Virginia Roberts Giuffre....

They needed to be kept quiet…

[AZJonnie]

14. Guiffre does not make sense to include here IMHO

She was by far and away the most outspoken and threatening victim out there, and she sued people and testified and gave interviews over like 15 years. Seems doubtful she was suddenly a big concern in 2025. If she was going to be whacked, it logically would've occurred long before that

Also, her SIL has said her suicide tracks with her circumstances:

Her sister‑in‑law Amanda Roberts told People that in the months before her death, Giuffre was in significant mental and physical pain, dealing with a serious accident, a separation from her husband, a restraining order that kept her from seeing her children, and long‑term trauma; she said that in the end “the weight of all of her burdens was too much to carry.”

I would also add, based on the memoir she endured significant guilt over her own role in the recruitment of underage girls for JE/GM to prey upon. Combined with all the above her sister mentioned, and knowing the sexual abuse started when she was 12 (way before Epstein)? I have to say I'm quite unsure *I* could endure all that.

Brunel and Epstein, who knows for sure. But their lives were basically over, they were toast. And Brunel was in the clink awaiting trial for 14 months, during which time there were "several" previous suicide attempts. One could imagine depression setting in pretty badly over 14 months (not that I feel sorry for that asshole!).

Epstein died within 24 hours of the release of the files from the 2015 Maxwell defamation case, where Guiffre's testimony nailed his ass to the cross. That timing certainly makes sense for someone offing themselves. That said, I'd be unsurprised if he wasn't "allowed to" and given the tools/means. Perhaps by order of Trump. Perhaps that's one of the things he's terrified might come out?

[yellow dahlia]

39. A lot of suicides.

Sort of like the mysterious falling off of a balcony in Russia.

[Bohunk68]

51. Or out of a window in Moscow. NT

[flvegan]

10. Epstein didn't kill himself.

He had mountains of "get out of jail free" cards and I believe his appeal to get out on bail was still pending.

I'd sooner believe he was still alive and in hiding/exile somewhere before I believed he killed himself. I'd sooner believe he was in witness protection before I believed he killed himself.

[catchnrelease]

13. I saw a joke story this morning

I think it was on Bluesky but not sure now. It was saying 'Epstein Island sold to Mid East businessman' named Haadid Nahikil Muhssef. (I confess it took me a minute to catch that joke) and a photo of a man with a turban(?) and long white beard. But the face was very clearly Jeffrey Epstein under the 'disguise'. Alluding to just what you said--he's in witness protection somewhere, not dead.
I found a link---
[link:https://genesiustimes.com/epstein-island-sold-to-wealthy-middle-eastern-businessman-haadid-nahkil-muhssef/

[flvegan]

32. LOL, that's good.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

45. I absolutely agree with you.

His "clients" are super wealthy and wouldn't want to give up what Epstein supplied.

His supposedly dead body lying on a gurney for the cameras, just happened to conveniently reveal his face. If dead, the sheet would be over his face.

Wealthy pedophiles have no reason to kill themselves. He could be on any number of yachts in any sea currently indulging in his favorite pastimes. Girls and women are trafficked every day.

[Scrivener7]

12. I totally believe this.

[Nigrum Cattus]

15. he hung himself with a paper sheet ?

both guards just so happen to have fallen asleep
during that short period of time ?

[fujiyamasan]

34. That whole two guards fell asleep

Sounds like the plot hole out of a really dumb movie. No one would buy it.

[Irish_Dem]

49. And the video cameras stopped working at the same time.

Amazing set of coincidences.

[Raine]

16. I've always believed he was murdered. nt

[Joinfortmill]

17. Me, too.

[Skittles]

18. LOL

I have always assumed that was a GIVEN

[ashredux]

20. Duh! It was just damn silly that he hanged himself

And what a coincidence, that the video had a little bit of glitch and didn’t show the fact that someone came in and hang the mother fucker… it did not take Colombo to figure this one out

[OAITW r.2.0]

21. Thinking the same, Kentuck.

Epstein died while Trump was President and Barr ran the DOJ. The stuff we are learning about Trump's connection to Epstein now, the more I think that Trump needed him gone.

[tavernier]

22. I never had a doubt.

He had so much compiled against every person who was involved for or against him. I still think that there are more copies than what they know of, and which they redact religiously.

[paleotn]

23. Yes. And the only reason Maxwell is still above ground is.....

she's got a "dead woman" switch. They touch her and everyone blows up.

[EdmondDantes_]

24. Except the FBI is saying the letter is fake.

Maybe before making up our minds we should see if the letter is true, if it's not who faked it, why it was in the files, etc.

[mwooldri]

26. Do we trust this FBI?

Just asking....

[GoCubsGo]

55. I trust them to do something sleazy.

Like planting a fake letter, that will muddy up things, in hopes that people will start losing trust, and start believing the whole "hoax" thing. At the very least, this is a distraction.

[fujiyamasan]

35. Why would I trust anything coming from the FBI headed by a fucking idiot like Patel?

The agency is compromised.

[wolfie001]

25. Ivana "fell" down the stairs around the same time

Coincidence? Rumor has it that a couple of russkis witnessed the whole incident.

[BWdem4life]

27. Beginning? nt

[Emile]

28. Trump acts like a mafia godfather.

[Picaro]

29. Never believed Epstein committed suicide

Simple details made suicide impossible for me to believe. First he was as much a narcissist as Trump. Narcissists rarely kill themselves.

Second, he knew too much about Trump while he had all the resources available to the President of the United States. Think through that for just a moment.

Then the strange issues with the guards who were not there and the cameras that were expertly disabled for just the right time period.

Then the motive. Epstein had the goods on Trump and probably telegraphed that to him.

The autopsy revealed things that wouldn’t have been there in a simple jailhouse self hanging.

It goes on and on.

This is a demonstration of Occam’s Razor. When everything is brushed away and only one thing remains then that must be the truth.

This is a very Sherlockian story.

When I saw that Epstein had said in an email that Trump was the dog who didn’t bark I almost spit my coffee across the room. How unintentionally apropos.

But how normal that this instinctively Machiavellian man Epstein would see what Trump’s moves would be and that he was a walking dead man.

[yellow dahlia]

41. Yup.

Personality profile +
all the other coincidences +
who did it benefit?

[evolves]

30. I have suspected this all along.

He DID know too much and was probably prepared to spill it.

Not only is donnie a rapist and a pedophile, he’s likely also a murderer.

[relayerbob]

31. I've not doubted it for a second

[usonian]

33. Is water wet?

When in a liquid state, of course.

[Bev54]

36. It was returned after his death, I don't think it was sent after his death/

[stopdiggin]

42. I don't think that's correct. People are pointing to a 'postmark' - and that does not

indicate/refer to a 'return' date.

(In any event - such an obvious and incredible 'hack job' - that it never warranted any consideration in the first place. I would be embarrassed pointing to this as evidence or 'indicating' anything at all.)

[TBF]

37. I have been pretty convinced it was a hit -

and I don't think Ivana's "fall" was "accidental" either.

[Iggo]

40. I always thought it went something like this.

&si=gR0vJf8E1rQj0nOX

[pacalo]

43. Larry Nasser was the Olympics team physician.

Disgusting, isn't he.

[Luciferous]

44. I never thought he killed himself. He

knew too much about some very powerful people.

[GoodRaisin]

46. His timely death was all too convenient to be suicide.

Never have believed that. Much more likely to be murder, with Krasnov having the most to gain by Epstein being dead.

[spanone]

48. K&R

[malaise]

53. Duh!

🎄🎄🎄

[spanone]

54. 🤣

[Mike Nelson]

52. I'm no FBI investigator, but...

... the "letter" is fake, they said. First of all, the postmark is, what did they say, three days after his death? Means nothing, to me... are there post offices in prisons, to officially postmark letters? I had no idea! Why do prisoners get their mail postmarked so quickly and efficiently? AND, okay... their "handwriting experts" say it wasn't Epstein's writing. THEN, considering how the letter reads - the subject and details - they should know who the "forger" is, by now. I would have ordered DNA testing IMMEDIATELY. Letters are like crime scenes... licking the stamp, the flap, and whatever is inside!

[Scrivener7]

58. Julie K. Brown says the handwriting, wording and spelling don't resemble Epstein's. She's the one who actually

took him down, and to do that she studied him for years.

I tend to accept her opinion. YMMV.

[Orrex]

56. I'm kind of amazed that you haven't been swarmed by cheerleaders

Generally when someone dares to question Trump's official story re: Epstein's "suicide," a throng of finger-waggers appears to scold, belittle, and humiliate.

[Prairie Gates]

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