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cbabe

(5,783 posts)
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:22 PM 17 hrs ago

'Chilling': FBI shocks with visits to homes of innocent protesters under Trump's orders

https://www.rawstory.com/fbi-protest/

'Chilling': FBI shocks with visits to homes of innocent protesters under Trump's orders

David Edwards
October 23, 2025 3:48PM ET



In one case, special needs teacher Miles Serafini, 26, told independent journalist Ken Klippenstein that agents visited his home after he participated in a June protest at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in Arizona. The two agents, who only identified themselves as "James" and "Keith", were recorded on Serafini's security camera.



Serafini said the agents that visited his home "were trying to figure out the shadowy entity behind the protest."

"What a waste of their time to go after s—t that doesn't exist," he added. "And they kept drilling me on the fact that I showed up alone, [that I didn't] remember where I saw the flyer, and didn't know anybody there. They told me that's unusual and pretty suspicious — as if I was holding back information about whoever organized the protest. They kept insinuating that I was lying to them."

Before leaving, the agents told Serafini that it might not be the last time they saw him. The warning left him concerned enough that he decided not to attend the recent No Kings protests.

"That is exactly the chilling effect on speech that the FBI investigating political matters risks creating," Klippenstein noted.

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'Chilling': FBI shocks with visits to homes of innocent protesters under Trump's orders (Original Post) cbabe 17 hrs ago OP
1: ask for a JUDICIAL WARRANT ret5hd 17 hrs ago #1
Simple rule: You are under no obligation to give these people so much as the time of day. flashman13 15 hrs ago #21
His first mistake was even talking to them without Klarkashton 17 hrs ago #2
Five words. Say it through your camera: GET OFF MY FUCKING STOOP. Hassin Bin Sober 17 hrs ago #3
Two phrases to always remember... pecosbob 17 hrs ago #4
very true, but... ret5hd 17 hrs ago #5
"It's DISGUST at the Russian mole tearing down the White House" struggle4progress 17 hrs ago #6
If I were the target of an FBI "interview" and they showed up at my door, my first question would be: MarineCombatEngineer 17 hrs ago #7
There are only two sentences that need ever be spoken to a cop* JoseBalow 16 hrs ago #8
Also, do not let them in.... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #11
Good point about stepping outside. JoseBalow 15 hrs ago #13
BAD ADVICE orangecrush 15 hrs ago #18
Not opening the door at all sounds best..... reACTIONary 14 hrs ago #23
Don't even step out, MarineCombatEngineer 6 hrs ago #24
And remember... 2naSalit 15 hrs ago #16
How does "fuck off and get out of my house" sound? CanonRay 16 hrs ago #9
Stasi and KGB IronLionZion 16 hrs ago #10
if they show up azureblue 15 hrs ago #12
That's exactly the way to do it. MarineCombatEngineer 6 hrs ago #25
I never answer the door to anyone. Usually I don't even hear it, Jack Valentino 15 hrs ago #14
I want to know about the shadowy entity behind the Epstein Ballroom! n/t aggiesal 15 hrs ago #15
Exactly! yellow dahlia 15 hrs ago #19
No warrant no open door no talkee orangecrush 15 hrs ago #17
Once again, Bayard 15 hrs ago #20
I'm even further back than that Keepthesoulalive 14 hrs ago #22
Come on, two guys only identifying themselves as "James" and "Keith" aren't real FBI agents. sop 6 hrs ago #26
This visit was so sad and stupid LetMyPeopleVote 4 hrs ago #27
This is f*cked up on so many levels crud 2 hrs ago #28

ret5hd

(21,889 posts)
1. 1: ask for a JUDICIAL WARRANT
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:28 PM
17 hrs ago

2: no warrant…get the fuck off my property. NOW!

3: judicial warrant…invoke your right to a lawyer and MOST importantly, invoke your right to remain silent

these are so basic and people never seem to remember them.

flashman13

(1,671 posts)
21. Simple rule: You are under no obligation to give these people so much as the time of day.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 10:52 PM
15 hrs ago

pecosbob

(8,146 posts)
4. Two phrases to always remember...
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:36 PM
17 hrs ago

I will be happy to answer any questions you have with an attorney present.

Am I being detained?

ret5hd

(21,889 posts)
5. very true, but...
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:40 PM
17 hrs ago

it is MUCH more satisfying to say it the way i phrased it. trust me.

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,275 posts)
7. If I were the target of an FBI "interview" and they showed up at my door, my first question would be:
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:51 PM
17 hrs ago

"Do you have a warrant to be on my property"?
When they answer no, my next statement would be to get the fuck off of my property and I'll be happy to speak to you as soon as my lawyer arrives, otherwise, fuck off.

JoseBalow

(8,786 posts)
8. There are only two sentences that need ever be spoken to a cop*
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 09:23 PM
16 hrs ago

1. Am I being detained, or am I free to go? (Repeat as necessary)
2. (A) In that case, I want my lawyer. -or- (B) Great, goodbye/get off my property. (Repeat as necessary)


*Inb4 yes, you need to identify yourself if asked.

reACTIONary

(6,766 posts)
11. Also, do not let them in....
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 09:56 PM
15 hrs ago

.... to talk to you. Step out, close the door. Then tell them to leave.

If they get their foot in the door, they inevitably see something "suspicious" or "illegal" to justify further "investigation".

JoseBalow

(8,786 posts)
13. Good point about stepping outside.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 10:06 PM
15 hrs ago

And not only can they claim to "see" something, they have a good nose for smelling imaginary contraband.

orangecrush

(27,094 posts)
18. BAD ADVICE
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 10:27 PM
15 hrs ago

Once you step outside your home, you lose some protection.

And if you open the door for them they have been known to put a foot in the door to prevent closing and forcibly enter.

No warrant no talk no open door.

reACTIONary

(6,766 posts)
23. Not opening the door at all sounds best.....
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 11:16 PM
14 hrs ago

.... but if someone knocks, you may open the door simply out of habit. I guess you could slam it in their face.

MarineCombatEngineer

(16,275 posts)
24. Don't even step out,
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 07:13 AM
6 hrs ago

if you have a ring camera or a security screen door, never step outside, tell them to leave and shut the front door.

2naSalit

(98,336 posts)
16. And remember...
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 10:23 PM
15 hrs ago

You do not have to speak to them at all. Though I would ask the two vital questions.

CanonRay

(15,703 posts)
9. How does "fuck off and get out of my house" sound?
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 09:45 PM
16 hrs ago

That's what James and Keith would get out of me.

azureblue

(2,586 posts)
12. if they show up
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 09:59 PM
15 hrs ago

Do not let them in your house. Do not open the door. In fact, lock it.
Make them show their badges and ID cards, before you say anything, beyond "hello". If they have to hold it up to a window so you can see it, then do it. And maybe take photos of it and them. Try to record everything.
Tell them you want to verify their identities, and ask for their office number, someone who will verify them.
If they ask why, then you say their IDs look fake. If they give you push back, then say they just verified to you they are not who they say they are. And tell them they are trespassing, and appear to be armed, so you are fearing for your life.
Then say nothing but "get off my property".

Jack Valentino

(3,717 posts)
14. I never answer the door to anyone. Usually I don't even hear it,
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 10:07 PM
15 hrs ago

but if I'm not expecting anyone, I won't answer period.

So here's another good reason not to answer the door....

Bayard

(27,485 posts)
20. Once again,
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 10:31 PM
15 hrs ago

I am glad our house sits 200+ ft off the road, fenced, with a locked gate, and 2 loud Great Pyrenees that patrol the fence

I don't understand why this guy even talked to them. Its not like they were Mulder and Scully.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,954 posts)
22. I'm even further back than that
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 11:04 PM
14 hrs ago

Cameras everywhere and 2 Anatolian shepherds. For some reason folks don’t want to come to this rural area. Folks are very suspicious of authorities.

sop

(16,576 posts)
26. Come on, two guys only identifying themselves as "James" and "Keith" aren't real FBI agents.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 07:40 AM
6 hrs ago

Everyone knows real FBI would use their last names, it would be "Agent Mulder" and "Agent Scully."

crud

(1,110 posts)
28. This is f*cked up on so many levels
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 10:56 AM
2 hrs ago

I shouldn't have to think about what I tell the FBI when they show up to my door. Or have to decide if I am putting myself at risk by attending a protest. Is there anyone in the government that can write a sternly worded letter or something?

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