When his second term is over, he won't leave.

[CTyankee]

If he is impeached and found guilty, he won't leave.

We will have to depend on his bad health to get rid of him. But as long as he has Dr. Oz to kiss his ass, we might have a chance that that will happen. I do not wish that on him (bad karma) but that is what might happen.

[dalton99a]

1. The tyrant will not vacate the White House voluntarily.

[Trueblue1968]

41. I have a feeling he will be gone within six months. I had a dream monday night he died of a heart attack

The dream woke me R 3 and I could not get back to sleep. Hubby and I had some hot chocolate !!!

[Aristus]

2. If they bring him out feet-first, I'll be okay with that.

The sooner, the better...

[NJCher]

3. have you seen him try to walk?

I saw a youtube short on it a couple days ago and I don't see how he can carry on. Maybe if he gets a wheelchair and someone to push it?

Would be great optics.

[FakeNoose]

27. He needs double-hip surgery, it was announced a few days ago

Come on Grim Reaper, now is our chance!

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Stop perpetuating defeatist mythology

This kind of post doesn’t help us resist and fight back, it just demoralizes and paralyzes people.

Stop it.

Here in the reality based community, we know that On January 20, 2029 a new president and VP, neither named Trump, will be inaugurated.

The only way that doesn’t happen is if there is a military coup, requiring thousands of acts of treason by active duty service members.

Otherwise, somebody else will be president, even if they come from the constitutional order of succession from the congress or cabinet, and the military will answer to them, not Trump.

And then Trump will leave, whether he wants to or not.

SCOTUS will not save him, for, despite their corruption, they can still count to two.

It is critical that everyone remember this one absolute truth:

Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless.

[CTyankee]

6. Oh, I didn't want to make it seem hopeless! It will just be very, very hard to get him to go...

Even Nixon, who I despised, didn't resist. He wasn't batshit crazy (just bad) and a megamaniac. I'm actually a little scared of what tsf will do (and I know you might say I shouldn't be).

I truly don't want to be a defeatist. So I promise I will try to think like you do. But I'm old and tired. Try to understand why I despair.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. We are in this together

It won’t be hard at all to get him to go.

On January 20, 2029, when the clock strikes 12 noon, he will no longer be president.

The difficulty lies not in getting him to go, it lies in resisting and fighting back against the daily atrocities, and once he is gone, helping the nation recover and rebuild.

That’s where the work is, not in worrying about a not-going-to-happen third term.

[CTyankee]

11. Of course, we always must resist tyranny, Our founders are counting on us!

At least I know I raised 3 kids who have kids of their own they are raising as good Dems. We all do our part!

[BannonsLiver]

17. We? Aren't you Canadian?

Last edited Fri Oct 24, 2025, 11:17 AM - Edit history (1)

[MorbidButterflyTat]

26. You didn't want to make it seem hopeless?

This you?

"When his second term is over, he won't leave.
If he is impeached and found guilty, he won't leave.
We will have to depend on his bad health to get rid of him."


He. WILL. leave.

[womanofthehills]

53. Not according to Republicans on X

One Republican influencer with a huge following just posted he would vote for a Dem before voting for Trump a second time because Trump has done nothing he ran on. MAGA’s are pissed about Epstein files, money to foreign countries like Argentina and our tax dollars for wars. Republicans are turning on Trump. Bannon has always been very out there

[Solomon]

14. Did you forget the sarcasm thingy?

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. My post was reality based

I reject defeatism.

[LR3]

16. Your "reality" is based on expectation of conformance to norms

If we should have learned anything these past 10 years it is that there is no norm they will not trample. Relying on "two terms is two terms" is more of these same. They've floated numerous ways to get around the inconvenience of the Constitution.

Fascist dictators do not give up power voluntarily, EVER. They simply can't, for they know they will then be held accountable for their crimes. As the saying goes, dictators have the dilemma that they need to die in bed still firmly gripping the levers of power.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. My posts are grounded in physical reality, and reject dystopian fantasies

Just because you can imagine some doomsday scenario and type it on the internet doesn’t make it plausible, possible or probable.

Physical reality says that unless thousands in the military commit multiple acts of treason in staging a coup, a new president not named Trump will be sworn in on January 20, 2029.

If you are truly certain Trump will attempt to stay in office, at least have the integrity to walk us through exactly how that would unfold, step by step.

Make sure you include the possible responses by the states and the people, and non-treasonous military..

They've floated numerous ways to get around the inconvenience of the Constitution.

None of which will happen. States control elections, and will ignore any SCOTUS ruling that claims Trump can run for a third term - such a ruling would make the court instantly impotent and irrelevant, which is why it won’t happen.

On top of that, there are numerous republicans who want to run in 2028, including Vance, and they won’t stand for such shenanigans either.

[LR3]

19. Stamp your feet and insist that your opinion is "reality" all you want

It simply lacks imagination to think they will adhere to the Constitution. Trump has floated the idea, Bannon has floated the idea. The 22nd amendment doesn't say anything about serving a 3rd term, only being elected, and the fascists are busy trying to claim it allows a person to run if they haven't served two consecutive terms, thereby sidestepping eligibility for Obama.

Dictators don't give a crap about your, or anyone else's, reality. They can't, because if they do they'll go to jail.

[Fiendish Thingy]

20. So, you're staking your position that the military will commit treason?

That’s the only way Trump stays in office.

Two is two, not three.

Bannon and the rest of the fascists are simply trolling the libs.

Nobody who wants to be taken seriously is making the argument that a third Trump term is possible, only trolls and fearmongers.

[LR3]

21. The military that Hegseth is systematically gutting of anyone not loyal to Trump over the Constitution?

And even if he weren't, why would the military intervene after the corrupt 6 on SC give it their blessing?

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. You clearly haven't thought this through

You think SCOTUS will rule Trump can run again for a third term - not going to happen

Furthermore, you think the states will respect such a ruling (which isn’t going to happen) and put Trump on the ballot in all 50 states.

Annnd you think the Republicans will stand by and let Trump be nominated, and give up their shot at the 2028 nomination…

And you think he would win a third term, amidst all the destruction he has wrought, with widespread suffering that crosses partisan boundaries.

Alternately, you think Hegseth will have gutted the military to the point the remaining officers will gladly commit treason and install Trump as unelected dictator, and that the enlisted corp will follow those unlawful orders without question.

And believing all the above implies you also believe the American people would accept all of this without a fuss, as would the markets.

Like I said nobody who wants to be taken seriously is proposing such scenarios could possibly occur.

This kind of doomposting distracts from the very real atrocities occurring daily.

[LR3]

31. Again, you think they are bound by laws or the Constitution

Yes, the corrupt SC has said he can do whatever he wants, they aren't going to suddenly change their minds.

There are a myriad of ways they can spin this, from saying the 22nd Amendment doesn't say what it plainly says (the SC has recently been ruling the laws say the exact opposite of what they explicitly say), to simply not counting states that won't put him on the ballot (Grassley was all set to nullify states' intentions until Pence refused to get in that limo), to simply declaring, against all evidence, that Trump won.

And yes of course Republicans will back whatever the fuck he does because they are cowardly, sniveling sycophants who put their careers over country. Is there a single thing he does thus far that got anything stronger than a slight tut-tutting from the spinless fucks at worst??

I'm not sure why you keep thinking the military will intervene. Hegseth is purging them of everyone "disloyal" to Trump and only Trump and furthermore there is little to no chance they would intervene when there is even a patina of fake legitimacy, such as the SC's blessing.

And of course the American people won't "accept it without a fuss"; when has that stopped fascist dictators? Did it stop Putin? Orban?

Again, if you can point to any time in recent history that a fascist dictator has voluntarily given up power I'll be happy to hear it.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. If the military doesn't prop up Trump via a coup, he won't be president after 1/20/29

It’s that simple.

Despite your dire doomer pronouncements, the following facts will unfold:

Trump won’t be on the 2028 ballots, primary or general.

States will hold elections as scheduled in both 2026 and 2028.

The states will send their electoral votes to congress to be certified on 1/3/29

If, for some reason, the congress fails to complete its constitutional duty and certify the results of the electoral college and declare a winner, then the constitutional order of succession will result in an acting president being sworn in on 1/20/29.

SCOTUS has no jurisdiction over internal congressional processes, such as certifying electoral votes.

The only thing that can change these facts is if a military coup occurs.

If any of these facts fail to unfold, please make a post calling me out by name with the title “I told You So!”

In the meantime, please be mindful of the impact of your imagined, evidence-free dystopian fantasies upon morale of the DU community.

[LR3]

39. Once again you are imagining that they give one shit about laws or following precedent

And I'm pretty certain the members of DU aren't going have their morale impacted by this discussion despite your dire warnings.

I'll ask again, because hopefully you'll be able to point to an example to life everyone's morale: Is there an example of a fascist dictator ever voluntarily giving up power peacefully?

[Fiendish Thingy]

40. Why have you surrendered in advance?

Trump is not yet a fascist dictator, despite his hopes and dreams and the enabling of his party.

Trump has much power as president, but he doesn’t have the total control of a true dictator.

He can only become a true dictator if we let him.

Will you let him?

P.S. Ferdinand Marcos left peacefully when enough of his people took to the streets

P.PS. They may not follow the laws of the legal system, but they can’t disobey the laws of physics, which they will have to deal with once the new president is sworn in on 1/20/29…unless of course your prediction of a military coup comes true.

Will you accept my invitation to create an “I told you so” post if your prophecy comes true?

You joined DU on election day last year, but haven’t been very active…until this defeatist thread seemed to pique your interest…why is that?

[LR3]

42. It is quite the opposite

It is not obeying in advance, and your claim is both offensive and misguided. The crux of my argument is that pinning our hopes on the fact that he is supposed to leave office no later than the end of his current term is foolish. If we should have learned anything over the last 10 years, and particularly the last 9 months, it's that LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO HIM.

He is now literally murdering fisherman in South America and claiming they were "narco-terrorists". Do you think it's just a coincidence that they are now claiming all Democrats in general, and anyone opposing him more specifically, are "terrorists?

And yes, he is a fascist dictator. He and his enablers have ticked off 13 of the 14 boxes of the characteristics of fascism; is there any doubt they will go for the 14th, Fraudulent Elections, in the next pass?

Marcos is actually a good example, so I thank you for that. You'll note, however, he was forced from office due to mass protests. This is exactly my point. Claiming that we'll be rid of Trump no later than the end of his current term is painfully naive. Marcos declared martial law to stay in power past his term, if you don't think Trump will find a work around and that his enabling lickspittles in the Republican party will cheer him on, I don't know what to tell you. If America is incredibly fortunate, the actuarial tables will win before his four years are up, but barring that, it needs to be a popular uprising.

I truly hope you CAN'T make an I told you so post in January 2029, because American can't survive that long. Where you get this weird idea that I stated something about a military coup I really don't know.

Lastly, just like your attempt to control speech by claiming that arguments that you don't like will "hurt DU morale", attempting to cast doubt on my point of view not through reasoned debate but through post count is certainly an interesting approach. But sure, I'll play: I had thousands of posts at the old DU stretching back to 2004, but when the database got wrecked I was never able to recover my old account afterwards. I always continued to monitor DU over the years, but never felt the need for a new account to comment...until the pitch black darkness of Trump.

[Fiendish Thingy]

45. Your prediction of a military coup was implicit in your other prophecies

You claimed that the military would not interfere with Trump’s efforts to remain in office in defiance of the law and constitution.

That means, if the rest of the nation- each state and the congress- follow the law, hold elections, submit electoral votes, certify electoral votes, swear in a new president on 1/20/29, but Trump says “nope, I’m sticking around”, the military will nod and say “yes sir” with tears streaming down their faces.

That’s why, when you repeatedly say THE LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO HIM (even though he has been restrained by numerous court rulings, and has only defied outright one ruling regarding a deportation flight to El Salvador), my reply has been that he cannot defy the laws of physics, which will apply to him once the military recognizes a new CIC (absent a military coup, of course).

Since nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility, and SCOTUS will never relinquish their power by agreeing with Trump that 2=3 (and he hasn’t even asked), then I see no evidence to support your claims that he will, with certainty, remain in office beyond the end of his term, as long as he is alive.

As corrupt as this SCOTUS is, their loyalty is to their ideology, not to Trump the man. Trump is merely a means to an end, and will be discarded at the end of this term.

[LR3]

48. No, unless you define a military coup, as the military doing nothing

In which case, every day is a military coup. We are just going to have to disagree that the military will play a part here at all.

As we will disagree on the role the shitty 6 on the SC will play. I don't see them suddenly putting country over Trump after they have already anointed him a king that is immune from laws. They'll find a way to either abstain or actively support his plans.

>Trump’s efforts to remain in office in defiance of the law and constitution.

And we'll disagree with this. I don't know what in the last 9 months has given you the idea that any Federal institution is going to stop him and that he will suddenly be bound by norms or laws. NOBODY is going to stop him short of a massive, popular uprising, which he will meet with unrestrained violence.

He can't do anything else, because he will otherwise go to jail and, hopefully, have his illicit financial gains stripped from him and his family.

[Fiendish Thingy]

49. So, when a new president not named Trump is inaugurated in 2029, what will the military do?

Nothing?

You still haven’t provided a breakdown of how, without military support, Trump will remain in office.

Just typing THE LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO HIM does not make it so.

States run elections, congress certifies the EV’s- neither the executive nor judicial branches have any jurisdiction over these processes- so, without the military intervening, how does he stay in office?

Walk me through it, step by step.

If any step involves SCOTUS ruling that 2=3, you’re way out over your skis.

Reminder: about 14 months from now, both republicans and democrats will begin announcing their campaigns for their parties’ nominations.

Would you agree that, if Trump intends to remain in office past this term, he would have to take action at that time (say, around January 2027) to reveal his intentions?

Or do you believe he will wait until after the 2028 election and simply declare he is staying, even if a Republican wins the presidency?

It seems to me that “I told you so” thread could be posted in just over a year, no need to wait until 2029.

[EdmondDantes_]

22. As opposed to stomping your feet and insisting that it's true?

Okay you've found someone claiming that Trump could be reelected because he didn't serve consecutive terms. I can find people claiming the world is flat, Bigfoot is real, Elvis isn't dead, etc. As they said, just because someone can dream it up, doesn't make it realistic.

People have been claiming since at least George W Bush that the current president won't leave office, there won't be elections. Those claims didn't come to pass.

Here are some other ideas Trump has floated: Mexico will pay for the wall, other countries will pay for the tariffs, he can end the war in Ukraine on day 1, he'll reveal his healthcare plan in 2 weeks, Obama isn't a natural born citizen, infrastructure week is coming, etc. Known liars aren't a great source.

[LR3]

24. Nah, I'm not insisting that I must be right because only my vision is "reality"

What I am saying is that I believe that Trump will not willingly relinquish his power (unless somehow he can put one of his witless sons in his place), and claiming he can't because CONSTITUTION is ignoring everything that has occurred over the last 10 years.

Is there any example in history where a fascist dictator has voluntarily left power peacefully?

[synni]

29. Some of us have noticed how he ignores laws

Live in a fantasy world if you like, but if he lives until then, he will resist leaving in any way possible.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. He can't ignore the laws of physics

Like when the new president has him physically removed by the secret service.

Unless, of course he successfully pulls off a military coup- that’s the only way he stays in office.

[BannonsLiver]

47. Your interlocutor is Canadian and has no real skin in this game.

[democratsruletheday]

37. Thank GOD one person on this board pushes back on this wimpy

defeatist crap. Just utter nonsense and pitiful whining. Enough already.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. Trump tried to stay last time and we got a riot

I doubt that trump will be around when this term is over

[CTyankee]

7. Is it bad karma to wish the worst on him?

[JoseBalow]

32. No, "karma" and "wishes" aren't real

But by all means, keep hope alive!

[democratsruletheday]

38. fuckin' A right....

he looks like death warmed over lately

[Baitball Blogger]

9. God help us if he needs an organ transplant in order to live.

That man isn't above picking his donor, while the donor is alive.

[CTyankee]

10. Probably from some poor schlep who is on Death Row.

He'll get a great deal! throw the poor schlep into surgery to get the organ while he is alive or right after he dies.

I wouldn't put it past him.

[allegorical oracle]

12. Have heard that the ballroom isn't scheduled to be completed until 2029 and can't imagine

he would want to leave before he milks any $$ from it.

[area51]

13. Before 2028 comes,

"May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership."

https://biblehub.com/psalms/109-8.htm

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

25. By then, he will be rotted meat in his gold-laden, over-sized sarcophagus.

[CTyankee]

28. What a great thought! Heh, heh, heh...

[Ms. Toad]

30. He won't have a choice.

He will be escorted out - willing or not - by the people who work for the 48th president, beginning January 20, 2029 at noon.

Obedience to Trump comes because he has the power of the office, and because of that the ability to wreak havoc in the lives of people who oppose him. As of 12:00 PM on January 20, 2029, he returns to being an ordinary citizen - with no possibility of becoming president again. No power to withhold money (even on a temporary basis), no power to award contracts, no power to sic the justice department on anyone who dares oppose him.

[Sogo]

35. Yep, the power goes off at noon on January 20, 2029.

If he is, for some reason, holed up in his new, fancy bunker that some claim he's building under his vanity ballroom, the newly inaugurated President can just order the locks be changed, immediately turning it into a prison, and he can be left to rot in there....(my fantasy, of course, but it makes me smile).

[MorbidButterflyTat]

55. That is an awesome idea!!!

Then have cameras streaming his agony 24/7, and charge a nominal fee to watch worldwide to repay every cent this fucker and his minion fucks have stolen from us.

[womanofthehills]

54. Plus - half his party no longer likes him

Huge party division going on right now.

Tucker has hundreds of millions of Republican followers and he just read all Trump’s campaign promises that Trump didn’t keep. Of course, Tucker blamed it on those around Trump. But, when Trump hates Massie and says he will get him out of Congress and Republicans on X are saying Massie for President- some division going on.

[Sogo]

36. It doesn't matter if he won't leave.

He will no longer have any power as of noon on 1/20/29.

[kentuck]

43. Or he may control the Republican Party so long as he is alive?

Even if not the President, he will still be calling the shots?

[CTyankee]

44. Let's hope he's totally incapacitated by then...

[Sogo]

50. Then we will know that he "has stuff" on all of them.

nt

[JI7]

46. He will be 82 in January 2029

and turning 83 a few months after that.

Even if he is still living you think he will be in any type of physical and mental state to try something ?

[Coldwater]

51. Unnamed sources say the President is 'riddled with arthritis'

and could require double hip replacement, but unfortunately, we can only rely on anonymous sources until the white house makes the announcement.

[usonian]

52. He won't make it. Jeffrey is calling, and the two will be together again soon.

[bcbink]

56. He's building his bunker

Or whatever he needs to hold on. He is amassing his troops. He will not leave.