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douglas9

(5,214 posts)
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 06:23 AM Yesterday

Due Process & Trump-Ordered Murder

President Donald Trump’s use of the U.S. military to kill persons on speed boats in international waters, or in territorial waters claimed by other sovereign nations — all 1,500 miles from the U.S. — has posed grave issues of due process.

The U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of due process requires it for every person, not just Americans. The operative language of the Fifth Amendment is that “No person … shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”

The Trump administration has claimed that it can kill whomever it designates as an unlawful enemy combatant — it prefers the political phrase “narco-terrorist” — and the due process it provides is the intelligence gathered by American spies and the White House analysis of that intelligence.

This secret analysis, the government’s argument goes, satisfies the president that the folks he has ordered killed are engaging in serious and harmful criminal behavior, and somehow is a lawful and constitutional substitute for the jury trial and its attendant procedural protections that the Constitution commands.


https://consortiumnews.com/2025/10/23/due-process-trump-ordered-murder/

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Walleye

(42,928 posts)
1. Even if they did have drugs on board, which they have yet to prove, drug smuggling, not a capital crime
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 06:53 AM
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Mossfern

(4,473 posts)
3. Somehow he gets away with everything
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:15 AM
Yesterday

It's beyond comprehension.

I'm starting to believe that he is the anti-Christ, even thought I'm not Christian.

I don't understand how anyone can support or approve of the crap he pulls.
It's not just him though.

Shipwack

(2,889 posts)
4. No one wants to bell the cat.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:20 AM
Yesterday

I think the larger countries feel they can safely ignore hiim because they are too powerful to pick on and they can just cut the US out of any trade deals.

Not something I would bet on because it assumes that Trump is not totally batshit crazy…

The smaller countries feel tries are just trying to look inconspicuous and hope someone else draws his ire.

Eventually he’s going to do something so heinous that it will unify the world like nothing else has done for a long time.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,052 posts)
5. The USA is still the 900lb gorilla in world affairs - the biggest country in NATO, the biggest defense budget,
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:30 AM
Yesterday

American companies dominate the world economy. The US has a veto in the UN Security Council. The possible tools, such as sanctions against him, would initiate a global depression thanks to his reaction, and do things like cut off US military aid to Ukraine.

The US voters will have a chance to not let him get away with it in 2026, without starting a depression. And they were responsible for installing him in the first place.

choie

(6,240 posts)
10. How did the international community
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:56 AM
Yesterday

let us get away with invading Iraq and torture? We’re the United States - we’re exceptional!

Ray Bruns

(5,713 posts)
6. Sooner or later all these extrajudicial killings are going to come home to roost and that will be a very bloody day.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:39 AM
Yesterday

Javaman

(64,710 posts)
7. habeas corpus schmabeas schmorpus.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:44 AM
Yesterday

who needs laws when we have dear leader to show us the way?

MaineBlueBear

(351 posts)
8. NSPM-7 gives him the power to arrest anyone he declares a criminal
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:51 AM
Yesterday

There's no accountability anymore.

superpatriotman

(6,774 posts)
11. Antifa beware
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:10 AM
Yesterday

ICE has been stockpiling munitions.

ICE is domestic.

ICE is preparing to use munitions domestically.

Lonestarblue

(13,016 posts)
13. Given the lawlessness of ICE agents and their hatred for minorities, they will eventually murder US citizens.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:34 AM
Yesterday

They have already imprisoned US citizens without cause, so how far is it to killing people. At least some of these ICE agents are probably J6 domestic terrorists who went to the Capitol to murder Pence and Pelosi. And now Trump and Miller have turned them loose to do whatever they want and break any law. I doubt this genie of violence can be put back in the bottle.

wolfie001

(6,346 posts)
9. Blatant murder
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 07:52 AM
Yesterday

Coast Guard usually pulls alongside vessels at sea for these types of engagements. Of course, that's in OUR WATERS! Not another nation's. He's deliberately wielding this deadly power to intimidate. And our armed forces have bent to his will. And the SC has 6 POS willing to go along. Brutal and illegal.

spanone

(140,473 posts)
14. He's a rogue 'president' but no one will touch him.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 08:36 AM
Yesterday

His political party and the supreme court has designated him a god.

Until he is gone America is doomed.

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