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Here is a good analysis of denaturalization. It would be almost impossible for trump to strip Rosie of her citizenship without a nasty lawsuit
With President Trump threatening to revoke Rosie OâDonnellâs citizenship, it seems like a good time to re-up my explainer on denaturalization and expatriation â and why what Trump is suggesting is ⦠not viable:
— Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-07-12T18:40:26.584Z
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/146-denaturalization-and-expatriation
Historically, and for good reasons, it has been exceptionally difficult for the government to involuntarily revoke an Americans citizenship. 8 U.S.C. § 1481 identifies seven classes of activities that can subject citizens to a loss of citizenship:
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or
(4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or
(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or
(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
As should be clear from this list, most of the circumstances involve behavior in which an individual has manifested a specific and voluntary desire to surrender their citizenshipand not when citizenship has been revoked as a punishment. And even for subsection (a)(7), the one part that doesnt seem to require that on its face, the statute today includes an umbrella conditionthat loss of citizenship depends upon whether the individual voluntarily perform[ed] any of the [specified] acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality.......
Section 1481 applies to all U.S. citizens. For naturalized citizens (i.e., those who become citizens after birth), theres one additional basis for revoking citizenshipand thats if and only if their citizenship was illegally procured or . . . procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation. Here, too, the statute (and, almost certainly, the Constitution) requires notice and meaningful judicial review before an Americans citizenship can be stripped. As 8 U.S.C. § 1451(b) mandates,
The party to whom was granted the naturalization alleged to have been illegally procured or procured by concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation shall, in any such proceedings under subsection (a) of this section, have sixty days personal notice, unless waived by such party, in which to make answers to the petition of the United States . . . .
Of course, the government can pursue denaturalization on broader grounds than it can pursue expatriationsince the Constitution doesnt create a substantive right to naturalization in the same way it does for birthright citizenship. But the key is that here, too, the Supreme Court has regularly insisted not only on meaningful judicial review of denaturalization proceedings, but on construing the relevant statutes narrowlyincluding, most recently, in 2017. (For much more on the complexities of denaturalization, see this fantastic February 2020 Practice Advisory from the National Lawyers Guild and the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.)
In other words, although denaturalization is potentially available in more cases than expatriation, it still requires meaningful, individualized judicial reviewreview that holds the government to a significant burden in providing that an individual wrongfully obtained their citizenship, and not just that they engaged in questionable behavior thereafter. There is, simply, no easy, fast path to revoking any Americans citizenship without their consentand there hasnt been for decades. That may not stop the current administration from trying it anyway, or from removing citizens unlawfully and then resisting the legal consequences. But its important to be clear on what the actual legal authority for such maneuvers would be. Here, there isnt any.
I was so sad to see Professor Vladeck leave the University of Texas Law School.

Bayard
(26,033 posts)Just because he doesn't like someone? We're all going to a third-world country then.
#7 describes him perfectly. It is incomprehensible to me why Congress did not convict him of insurrection.
hildegaard28
(589 posts)Have the threats of lawsuits stopped him? He loves that stuff. Plus, he'll just ignore the courts if they rule against him. And if the lower courts rule against him, it's pretty obvious by now that the Supreme Court will just rubberstamp whatever he does. It might start with her, but once he does it, he'll start doing it to more and more people. First it will be his enemies, but eventually, once anyone speaks out against him, even allies, it will be them, too.
Think. Again.
(22,412 posts)A quick search online says Rosie is in the process of getting Irish dual citizenship or may already have it.
The first paragraph Vladeck cites as a cause for American "denaturalization" says this;
" 1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or "
So maybe trump can revoke her citizenship???
LetMyPeopleVote
(166,465 posts)Dual Irish/US Citizenship is permitted and is not grounds for revoking US citizenship
https://us.iasservices.org.uk/ie/residency/irish-dual-citizenship/
This means that as a foreign citizen is able to apply for Irish citizenship through birth, descent or naturalisation (as long as they are eligible) and still manage to retain any previous citizenships.
However, it must be noted that certain countries do not allow dual citizenship or else have restrictions on dual citizenship cases, so you must ensure that any of your previous citizenships will allow you to become an Irish dual citizen before applying.
Additionally, it is important to be completely aware of the additional responsibilities that you will take on as a result of applying for dual citizenship, such as potentially having to adhere to an additional set of laws, values and tax burdens.
You can be a dual citizen of both the US and Ireland
https://www.irishdualcitizenship.org/faq/
ANSWERS TO THE MOST COMMON QUESTIONS WE RECEIVE ABOUT IRISH CITIZENSHIP
Can Americans hold dual citizenship?
Yes. While dual citizenship is not formally recognized in the United States, there is still no legislation against it. Also, in the event of an American taking on responsibilities relating to citizenship elsewhere, he or she will not forfeit his or her original citizenship.
Think. Again.
(22,412 posts)From the OP:
Historically, and for good reasons, it has been exceptionally difficult for the government to involuntarily revoke an Americans citizenship. 8 U.S.C. § 1481 identifies seven classes of activities that can subject citizens to a loss of citizenship:
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(Etc.)
LetMyPeopleVote
(166,465 posts)Dual citizenship is allowed between US and Irland.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Relinquishing-US-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html
Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that the term national of the United States means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States. Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a national of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. national parents may be both a U.S. national and a national of the country of birth. Or, an individual having one nationality at birth may naturalize at a later date in another country and become a dual national.
U.S. law does not impede its citizens' acquisition of foreign citizenship whether by birth, descent, naturalization or other form of acquisition, by imposing requirements of permission from U.S. courts or any governmental agency. If a foreign country's law permits parents to apply for citizenship on behalf of minor children, nothing in U.S. law impedes U.S. citizen parents from doing so.
U.S. law does not require a U.S. citizen to choose between U.S. citizenship and another (foreign) nationality (or nationalities). A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to their U.S. citizenship.
U.S. dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country (or countries, if they are nationals of more than one). They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals may result in conflicting obligations under the laws of each country. U.S. dual nationals may also face restrictions in the U.S. consular protections available to U.S. nationals abroad, particularly in the country of their other nationality.
U.S. nationals, including U.S. dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. U.S. dual nationals may also be required by the country of their foreign nationality to use that countrys passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law.
Dual citizenship does not give trump any power to remove Rosie
Think. Again.
(22,412 posts)... but I'm referring to the top, #1 "class of activities that can subject citizens to a loss of citizenship" listed by Vladeck in the OP, which doesn't mention renouncing.
tinrobot
(11,646 posts)In other words, we could have banished the fucker for January 6th.