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JUST IN: Maxwell appealing to SCOTUS TOMORROW for retrial. (Original Post) flamingdem Jul 13 OP
Come on, SCROTUS will deny her. Too much at stake for tsf chicoescuela Jul 13 #1
Mango man has probably called flamingdem Jul 13 #2
Would not be surprised chicoescuela Jul 13 #3
Why would they deny her? onenote Jul 13 #36
yeah... given what Pam Bondi had drumpf have said recently, I heard a few people asking "if all this is true, then Takket Jul 13 #4
As long as it keeps Epstein in the news johnnyfins Jul 13 #5
She facilitated dozens of sexual abuse crimes. Found and trained the young women. nt allegorical oracle Jul 13 #9
But - if they can't produce the men she trained the women for?? womanofthehills Jul 13 #13
She was convicted. Her appeal challenges her having been tried after a plea deal was entered in another circuit. onenote Jul 13 #17
YES MorbidButterflyTat Jul 13 #37
Scheme with Epstein Starbeach Jul 13 #6
So we arrest one woman and not the hundreds of men womanofthehills Jul 13 #14
Given that Trump has claimed Dems wrote the files, this may get interesting. Raven123 Jul 13 #7
🎯 She's not wrong to bring it Arazi Jul 13 #8
He may pardon her to ensure that she stays quiet. nt allegorical oracle Jul 13 #10
She knows she can never talk womanofthehills Jul 13 #12
I remember those headlines in the day bucolic_frolic Jul 13 #27
Her Father Was Accused of Embezzlement MrWowWow Jul 13 #30
Her appeal was filed months ago and has nothing to do with recent events. onenote Jul 13 #16
Thanks for the info Raven123 Jul 13 #19
Ah, thank you Arazi Jul 13 #21
My thoughts as well Raven123 Jul 13 #18
Ya can't have it both ways. This might be interesting. Biophilic Jul 13 #11
She is not appealing tomorrow. She already appealed. Tomorrow is the deadline for the government response onenote Jul 13 #15
Thanks for the info, but the article does suggest a retrial as a possibility Raven123 Jul 13 #20
The article is wrong. onenote Jul 13 #22
Thanks again Raven123 Jul 13 #34
None of the "John's" have ever been charged. JanMichael Jul 13 #23
Would you trust her not to name folks Trump doesn't like as a way of currying favor with him? onenote Jul 13 #24
I am sure there is some sort of evidence somewhere JanMichael Jul 13 #25
If she has evidence and it wasn't turned over when she was arrested onenote Jul 13 #32
The shit is so deep with these people I doubt it matters JanMichael Jul 13 #35
A bunch of this bullshit babble in the media and the Orange Sexpest will use RockRaven Jul 13 #26
dead woman walking says what? lapfog_1 Jul 13 #28
Did Trump give her an opening? bucolic_frolic Jul 13 #29
Even if he did, it has nothing to do with her pending appeal and the filing that the government will make tomorrow. onenote Jul 13 #33
imagine what that gal knows Skittles Jul 13 #31
What happens when they go into discovery? Baitball Blogger Jul 13 #38
There isn't going to be discovery. She isn't seeking a new trial. onenote Jul 13 #39
Thank you. Baitball Blogger Jul 13 #40

onenote

(45,490 posts)
36. Why would they deny her?
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 07:15 PM
Jul 13

She isn't seeing a new trial. She is seeking the complete dismissal of her prosecution based on the argument that there was a plea deal in place that prevented her from being prosecuted.

That being said, I think the Court will deny her petition for cert because it's a pretty tenuous argument, based on a 2007 plea agreement between federal prosecutors in Florida and Epstein that purports to give immunity to unnamed co-conspirators. The government's position has been that the plea agreement did not prevent federal prosecutors in New York from pursuing charges against Maxwell.

Takket

(23,113 posts)
4. yeah... given what Pam Bondi had drumpf have said recently, I heard a few people asking "if all this is true, then
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 02:41 PM
Jul 13

what exactly was Maxwell convicted of doing?"

womanofthehills

(10,053 posts)
13. But - if they can't produce the men she trained the women for??
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:48 PM
Jul 13

Looks like about 150 women got close to a million each from the Epstein’s Victim Compensation Program. The fund paid out around $125 million - The fund received 225 applications for compensation according to Groc.

onenote

(45,490 posts)
17. She was convicted. Her appeal challenges her having been tried after a plea deal was entered in another circuit.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:05 PM
Jul 13

It has zero, zip, nada to do with anything that is being speculated about in the comments in this thread.

Starbeach

(184 posts)
6. Scheme with Epstein
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:01 PM
Jul 13

She was sentenced to 20 years for conspiring with Epstein to sexually abuse minors.

womanofthehills

(10,053 posts)
14. So we arrest one woman and not the hundreds of men
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jul 13

Not one man -
Around 150 woman got almost a million each - was that also to keep their mouth shut.

Raven123

(6,881 posts)
7. Given that Trump has claimed Dems wrote the files, this may get interesting.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:09 PM
Jul 13

What does SCOTUS do when POTUS lists the “Epstein Files” with all the other conspiracy theories he has promulgated?

Arazi

(8,206 posts)
8. 🎯 She's not wrong to bring it
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:19 PM
Jul 13

When POTUS says all of the evidence is bogus and made up…

bucolic_frolic

(51,619 posts)
27. I remember those headlines in the day
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:50 PM
Jul 13

Was a prominent article in Business Week of the day, but it ignored any controversy surrounding her father, just investigations continue. Then the press loss interest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Hare

Dancing Hare (formerly Lady Ghislaine and Lady Mona K) is a superyacht built by Amels in 1986.

Built for Emad Khashoggi, it was then purchased, also in 1986, by Robert Maxwell, who died by drowning whilst cruising on the yacht off the Canary Islands. It was then owned by an Arabian businessman who sold it in 2017. The new owner, Anna Murdoch, had it refitted and renamed Dancing Hare.

Khashoggi, also developer of the Château Louis XIV and the Palais Rose, abandoned the project for the yacht and in 1986 sold the vessel to Robert Maxwell who named it Lady Ghislaine after his daughter Ghislaine. In 1991, it was the base for Maxwell in New York City, moored on the East River as he negotiated with the unions over his purchase of the New York Daily News.[3][4][5]

Maxwell's death

On 5 November 1991, at the age of 68, Maxwell was on board Lady Ghislaine, which was cruising off the Canary Islands. Maxwell's body was subsequently found floating in the Atlantic Ocean. He was later buried in Jerusalem. The official verdict was accidental drowning,[6] though some commentators have surmised that he may have committed suicide[3] or been murdered.[7]

MrWowWow

(651 posts)
30. Her Father Was Accused of Embezzlement
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 05:07 PM
Jul 13

Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, did not "slip and drown" in the typical accidental sense. He died under mysterious circumstances on November 5, 1991, after disappearing from his yacht, the Lady Ghislaine, which was anchored near the Canary Islands.

His body was later found floating in the Atlantic Ocean. Although the official cause of death was listed as a heart attack combined with accidental drowning, many have speculated foul play or suicide, especially since it was later revealed he had embezzled hundreds of millions of pounds from his companies' pension funds.

onenote

(45,490 posts)
16. Her appeal was filed months ago and has nothing to do with recent events.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:04 PM
Jul 13

She's not filing anything tomorrow. The government is and the issue relates to the enforceability of a plea agreement.

Arazi

(8,206 posts)
21. Ah, thank you
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:20 PM
Jul 13

Can she try to get her case reopened with this new “info” (sic) that POTUS says all of the evidence is fabricated by Obama and HRC?

onenote

(45,490 posts)
15. She is not appealing tomorrow. She already appealed. Tomorrow is the deadline for the government response
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:56 PM
Jul 13

Maxwell's petition for certiorari originally was due in January. At her request, Justice Sotomayor extended that deadline until April 10. The government's response was due May 14. It was extended until June 13 and then, without objection from Maxwell, extended again until July 14.

The headline on the original story was accurate. The person who tweeted about it got it wrong.

Also, she isn't seeking a new trial. She is arguing that she shouldn't have been prosecuted in the first place because of a plea deal. Specifically, the question she is raising for the Court consider is the following: "Under Santobello and common principles of contract interpretation, does a promise on behalf of the “United States” or the “Government” that is made by a United States Attorney in one district bind federal prosecutors in other districts?"

Raven123

(6,881 posts)
20. Thanks for the info, but the article does suggest a retrial as a possibility
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:19 PM
Jul 13

Not suggesting you are inaccurate, but that the article cited is not as clear

onenote

(45,490 posts)
22. The article is wrong.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:26 PM
Jul 13

There is nothing in her petition for certiorari suggesting she is seeking a new trial. She is asking that her conviction be reversed because of a prior plea deal which she argues barred the prosecution.

Here's a link to her petition.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-1073/355252/20250424150144637_24-__PetitionForWritOfCertiorari.pdf

onenote

(45,490 posts)
24. Would you trust her not to name folks Trump doesn't like as a way of currying favor with him?
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:34 PM
Jul 13

I wouldn't trust her.

JanMichael

(25,674 posts)
25. I am sure there is some sort of evidence somewhere
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:37 PM
Jul 13

Just her naming people doesn't count.

onenote

(45,490 posts)
32. If she has evidence and it wasn't turned over when she was arrested
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 06:51 PM
Jul 13

she and her lawyers would be in deep shit.

RockRaven

(17,630 posts)
26. A bunch of this bullshit babble in the media and the Orange Sexpest will use
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:43 PM
Jul 13

that media coverage as "evidence" that her prosecution was messed up and give her a pardon.

bucolic_frolic

(51,619 posts)
29. Did Trump give her an opening?
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 05:02 PM
Jul 13

"Your Honors, I'm innocent! The evidence was all fabricated by Democrats, said by a man who knows everything!"

onenote

(45,490 posts)
33. Even if he did, it has nothing to do with her pending appeal and the filing that the government will make tomorrow.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 06:52 PM
Jul 13

Baitball Blogger

(50,589 posts)
38. What happens when they go into discovery?
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 10:06 PM
Jul 13

Oh, I get it. Maxwell's lawyers won't challenge the DOJ when they say they don't have evidence.

onenote

(45,490 posts)
39. There isn't going to be discovery. She isn't seeking a new trial.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 10:22 PM
Jul 13

As pointed out multiple times above, she isn't filing anything tomorrow. She filed a petition for certiorari in April. The government's response is due tomorrow. The issue -- the ONLY issue -- being raised is whether she shouldn't have been prosecuted because of a 2007 plea deal that she claims gave immunity not only to Epstein but to unnamed co-conspirators.

If cert is granted, the court will decide whether she should have been prosecuted or not. If so, she loses and her conviction stands. If not, the conviction is vacated and that's the end of it because she can't be prosecuted.

Discovery has absolutely nothing to do with this case at this point.

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