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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm still trying to figure out why people do bad things.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-lucifer-effect-philip-zimbardo/1100401632Starting this today after our morning walk then breakfast.

no_hypocrisy
(52,343 posts)it makes them feel good. But the good feeling is temporary and they have to return to doing more bad things.
unblock
(55,400 posts)Toxic cultures train people to do toxic collective evil, such as slavery or genocide or ethnic cleansing.
Magats are utterly convinced they are being patriotic and doing god's work when they adamantly support alligator auchwitz and ice kidnapping of people who have come to this country at the behest of an American employer to work, often for below minimum wage and under conditions citizens would never accept. Or think the state should enslave pregnant women and dictate details of their existence over 9 months, force them to suffer and endure financial, psychological, emotional, hormonal, and physical damage and even risk death, even for a fetus that might already be dead or doomed, and imprison doctors who might try to save them.
They have been trained to believe that anyone who holds a contrary view is the unpatriotic and evil one and that the magat is the good one against all facts and logic and reason because why would all their beloved right wing sources lie?
For the rest of us, it's like a bad magic trick where we all see how the magician is doing the trick but those in the target audience are completely enthralled and convinced it's magic.
These people work from the premise that Donnie is divinely appointed so everything he says is the truth and good and gods will no matter how idiotic or evil it actually is.
A cruel immigration policy makes sense to them because they are convinced we're under invasion by rapists and so on. They've been hearing that crap continuously since Donnie's escalator speech nearly a decade ago. They think they're defending innocent Americans against evil invaders w huh en actually they're torturing and ruining lives of people who pick our vegetables and wash our dishes and mow our lawns.
They are incapable or processing the idea that a convicted criminal ignoring laws and the constitution might actually be the evil one. God chose him to lead us, they think, so they can't process such a conflicting notion.
ShazzieB
(21,171 posts)This is exactly what it's like! And for years now, we've been forced to watch them cheer for one bad trick after another, when the fakery has been obvious to us fom the get go. If the stakes weren't so stratospherically high, it would just be annoying. Because they are that high, for the entire planet, it's well nigh unbearable!
multigraincracker
(35,992 posts)There would be no good people with out bad ones. They define each other. The mutual interdependence of opposites. Like a coin, no need for heads without tails.
I think the world is gray, not black and white. I even appreciate Donald Drumpf. He is my example for how to act in my own life. I have to stop and ask myself if this is something I shouldnt do. All I have to do is ask myself, is this what he would and then if it is, I stop.
Biophilic
(5,888 posts)Ok, I understand some people are mentally unwell, but the others? I was such a Pollyanna. Still am, since I really dont understand. I know the psychological mechanics, but I will probably never understand why people do bad and evil things.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(845 posts)"You can take the ape out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the ape! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
donkeyoaty
(1 post)Sorry i cant cite the article but i remember reading,possibly last year, that the findings of this experiment were debunked after some student participants confessed to actng in ways they thought they were expected to , & not the way they felt. If that is correct i dont know why the book is still in circulation.
AntiFascist
(13,532 posts)although one ethical concern was that many participants experienced significant psychological and emotional distress during the experiment.
womanofthehills
(10,011 posts)Some studies say one or two percent of the population are psychopaths- while 16% to 25% of those in prison are.
So, here in US we are probably living amongst 4 million psychopaths.
Some researchers believe some people are born psychopaths as their parents saw the behavior in toddlers - hurting pets and siblings.
There is a good book The Psychopath Next Door - I read it when we had a psychopath in our neighborhood. My psycho neighbor told me he would leave items in peoples yards so they would know he was there - he was a potter - so he would leave his pot chards in your yard (way out in the country) - he left a noose in someones tree and after he told me how he could ruin peoples wells, I put a locked box over my well.
Oeditpus Rex
(42,106 posts)and sociopathy? "Nature or nurture"?
I've long believed adult behavior is result of one's upbringing -- bad parenting, bad teachers, bullies et al. Any of these can lead to an overwhelming desire for revenge, which can manifest in several different ways.
But then, the human brain is so complicated, thus the chances so great of something going wrong in its development, and what might seem insignificant -- like a misfiring synapse -- can have catastrophic results if not treated. And that's simply nature: it doesn't account for changes in the brain caused by elements of the "nurture" part.
I fear we'll never know any more than "both." (And I don't reallly know why that answer doesn't satisfy me.)
Morbius
(583 posts)The answer is "bad code".
Translated: some people have bad programming.