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In It to Win It

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Wed Jul 2, 2025, 11:49 AM Jul 2

BREAKING: The 11th Circuit, 2-1, holds that a trans woman has *not* shown that Florida's law banning her from

Chris Geidner
‪@chrisgeidner.bsky.social‬

BREAKING: The 11th Circuit, 2-1, holds that a trans woman has *not* shown that Florida’s law banning her from using her proper pronouns likely violates the First Amendment. The appeals court reverses the district court. https://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/202411239.pdf


BREAKING: The 11th Circuit, 2-1, holds that a trans woman has *not* shown that Florida’s law banning her from using her proper pronouns likely violates the First Amendment. The appeals court reverses the district court. media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub...

Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner.bsky.social) 2025-07-02T14:03:50.407Z

This is an absolutely outrageous decision — especially coming days after Mahmoud — from two Trump appointees and furthers the horrifying picture that is emerging and that I wrote about yesterday in covering Mahmoud at Law Dork: www.lawdork.com/p/scotus-par...

Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner.bsky.social) 2025-07-02T14:05:57.704Z

sad to see this. The law is atrocious animus, as there is no basis other than animus to force workplace misgendering like this. But the claim at issue here was a 1A claim, which is trickier - still the ct gets it wrong.

Jamie Fox (@whatlawfoxsays.bsky.social) 2025-07-02T15:00:19.157Z
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BREAKING: The 11th Circuit, 2-1, holds that a trans woman has *not* shown that Florida's law banning her from (Original Post) In It to Win It Jul 2 OP
Two Trump appointees. I was sure before I saw that was the case. rzemanfl Jul 2 #1
what does this case have to do with the first amendment? cadoman Jul 2 #2
I don't disagree with your analysis of a more appropriate legal strategy... hlthe2b Jul 2 #3
If I had to guess TommyT139 Jul 2 #4
Congratulations on 24 years 🎊 surfered Jul 2 #5
Oh, my. It took me a bit to figure out what 24 years meant. LOL... Denial is strong, but THANKS!! hlthe2b Jul 2 #6
You were listed in Earl G's milestones post this morning surfered Jul 2 #8
Ahh, thanks... hlthe2b Jul 2 #9
Make America Hate More People Again. Passages Jul 2 #7

cadoman

(1,485 posts)
2. what does this case have to do with the first amendment?
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 11:55 AM
Jul 2

Wouldn't workplace harassment, privacy, or medical discrimination be a more appropriate avenue of pursuit?

And TBH, wouldn't the remedy sought in fact by an infringement on the defendants first amendment rights?

hlthe2b

(110,696 posts)
3. I don't disagree with your analysis of a more appropriate legal strategy...
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:09 PM
Jul 2

One has to wonder how good her attorney(s) were... But yes, the 1st amendment was undoubtedly the "defense" against her claim rather than promoting a violation of her specific rights as a harassment, discrimination, or privacy litigation might have been able to show.

But, I feel it necessary to likewise point out that anyone reading my or the other poster's comment in rapid fire and missing that neither of us is arguing against the issue, but only the strategic manner in which the case was brought, should "take a beat" and read more carefully. That is not the case

TommyT139

(1,649 posts)
4. If I had to guess
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 01:17 PM
Jul 2

...I would say that her lawyers held that forcing her to respond to a malgendering "honorific" was compelling speech.

I would also guess that they had good reasons for not trying to argue workplace discrimination (which might be included under Bostwick? I'm not sure) -- either because there is something about the context of it being a public school; or perhaps simply because that would be so much harder to prove.

Fuck Florida. We need good teachers up here, not that this version of coerced migration is a real answer.

hlthe2b

(110,696 posts)
6. Oh, my. It took me a bit to figure out what 24 years meant. LOL... Denial is strong, but THANKS!!
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 01:46 PM
Jul 2
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